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Hi Christian,ca.funke wrote:Hi John G,
embassy staff, especially from certain regions, sometimes do not know the rules well.
I once tested the knowledge of all Schengen embassies by asking the same question, and publishing their replies:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=30020
I came to the conclusion that it´s not importannt what the Embassy tells you, as long as the borderguards know what they are doing, since those guys will in practice determine if you enter somewhere or not...
...and, unfortunately, there´s no direct connection between Embassy staff and border guards. So a country giving crappy info via their Embassies (Italy) could well admit you at the airport.
Shining exception of all is tiny Malta, whose Embassy provided me with a letter stating explicitly that I may enter without a visa
Rgds and good luck,
Christian
FYI below:!: Only took like over 20 e-mails for them to confirm what is EU Law:!:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Read through this thread. There are people getting on board planes and entering with an article 10 residence card.
You can be one of them:!:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=98029
Where are you now? Are you in Estonia or the UK?diana_karina wrote:Hi, very good discussion is happening here! I wonder if you have any thoughts on my situation?
I am a holder of Estonian Alien's passport (not EU). Live in uk since 2005 with my Estonian (EU family member) mother, she has permanent residence blue booklet. I had residence card for 5 years, it is now expired.
I have decided to travel to Estonia on the 4th May 2012. So checked with UKBA if i need a visa/ extension of residence. But was pointed to this: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... ts-family/
which said 'You do not need to obtain documents confirming your right of residence in the UK if you are a family member of an EEA national.' And the lady added:'Take your mum's residence document just in case, and you will be fine!'
Just to be prepared I took with me: my mum's residence booklet, print out of the page from the website and my birth certificate, my student & staff cards and few more documents.
However on the 9th May, I was denied boarding by the EasyJet crew members at the boarding gate in Tallinn. They said i need a visa.
Then there were lots of stressfull things happening for next few days.
But does anyone have any initial thoughts?
Thank you so much.
Geez! Sorry to hear about all that stress!diana_karina wrote:Where are you now? Are you in Estonia or the UK?
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I am back in UK (thank god!). I left Tallinn on 13th May, so 4 days later than expected. It was an absoulte mess tbh. I've asked Tallinn airport manager to call UK and confirm with them that it is ok for me to travel. And yes, it was confirmed- I am ok to board. So she appologised and said I can go on a next plane, which was next day. So I bought a new ticket... She also wrote me a letter to show to new crew members at the boarding gate the next day, so i won't have same problem.
Next day I come to the airport, got as far as Boarding gate again, where easyjet people say that they can not accept that letter as today there is a new manager on shift.
I was so angry, asked them quickly to call UK, it's not my problem they don't know regulations. So after lots of shouting, they called. And that day, UK said, yes, don't let her on a plane!!! Why do i get conflicting advice?! And I am responsible person, I called UKBA asked my situation before the travel, my mum did, just to confirm, they said it's fine.
It was a very very long story. I've talked to lots and lots of people. Had to spend money on hotels, on plane tickets, on phone calls etc as i have no relatives in Estonia. Missed few days of work because of this delay.
In the end I had to fax copy of my documents to the Stansted Airport Boarding Control: my passport, mum's residence, birth certicicate, proof that i am a student. And they then confirmed to the Airport manager I can board and that they will check my original documents on arrival at Stansted.
And guess what?! I've arrived at Stansted, went through the boarding control and noone checked anything!!! Lady just let me through like nothing ever happened...
What that all suppose to mean?! I just had a feeling it all depends how lucky you get with people you speak to and noone knows the rules
But who will pay the compensation for all the money spent and stress
Essentially the rules are that you need to have valid travel documentation to be allowed to board.diana_karina wrote:
What that all suppose to mean?! I just had a feeling it all depends how lucky you get with people you speak to and noone knows the rules :roll:
But who will pay the compensation for all the money spent and stress :(
I guess after arriving you went through immigration, not "boarding control"?diana_karina wrote:...I've arrived at Stansted, went through the boarding control and noone checked anything!!! Lady just let me through like nothing ever happened...
Easyjet will have to. They will deny everything, unless you really sue them.diana_karina wrote:But who will pay the compensation for all the money spent and stress
Thanks for your response. I am in a process of writing lots of complaint letters. I am angry at lots of people and Estonian government is one of them for giving me this silly Alien's Passport which gives me all the trouble. But that's a different story.ca.funke wrote:I guess after arriving you went through immigration, not "boarding control"?diana_karina wrote:...I've arrived at Stansted, went through the boarding control and noone checked anything!!! Lady just let me through like nothing ever happened...
However, sorry about that, and seems it was very stressful.
Easyjet will have to. They will deny everything, unless you really sue them.diana_karina wrote:But who will pay the compensation for all the money spent and stress
I guess suing them for compensation should work, as long as you can prove everything happened exactly as you wrote.
There was a very similar case here:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=91710
Easyjet staff seems very badly trained about "exotic" EU regulations. But this doesn´t change that they have to know them.
You´re responsible to have papers with you, which are valid for entry, Easyjet is obliged to know which papers are valid for entry, no matter how exotic.
I assume it was a "documentation checked" stamp.diana_karina wrote:Why was it so important for them to see that stamp i got from Luton?
excellent, so, if you had the option would you still apply for a schengen via, or just risk it???ca.funke wrote:Most certainly does - this is the first relation mentioned in the directive, thus the "safest/surest" relation of them all.tdw197 wrote:...does this included spouses?
excellent, so, if you had the option would you still apply for a schengen via, or just risk it???ca.funke wrote:Most certainly does - this is the first relation mentioned in the directive, thus the "safest/surest" relation of them all.tdw197 wrote:...does this included spouses?
That´s hard to answer, and I always give the same answer: You are legally allowed to travel without visa, but this right is sometimes unknown and can lead to rejections. So you can "risk" it if you are 100% prepared (see first post in this thread), but if you want to make absolutely sure then there´s no way around a visa.tdw197 wrote:...would you still apply for a schengen via, or just risk it???...
cheers christian, will check out the visa method - we used to do it via manchester but it seems to only be london using a private comapny now, can't tell exactly as the website seems broken...ca.funke wrote:That´s hard to answer, and I always give the same answer: You are legally allowed to travel without visa, but this right is sometimes unknown and can lead to rejections. So you can "risk" it if you are 100% prepared (see first post in this thread), but if you want to make absolutely sure then there´s no way around a visa.tdw197 wrote:...would you still apply for a schengen via, or just risk it???...
Rgds, Christian
No, it does not.tdw197 wrote:one other question,if I may.
Does having a UK Biometric Residence Permit mean that the holder has an EEA family member Residence Card?
Are you British? If so the directive 2004/38/EC would apply.rihsabramo wrote:Hi,
I've read through this thread and still a little confused.
My wife is from Pakistan and coming to the UK soon, we are planning a trip to Italy. Does she need to apply for a Schengen visa from Pakistan? how long does it take if so?
Ideally hope that she can fly into Italy and I meet her there.
Or if she comes here and we go from here, can we go without a Shengen, i don't speak good Italian if any so it might be a bit of a hassle? Can we apply for a Schengen visa in the UK and get it the same day if we go to the embassy?
I don't want to book tickets/hotels if getting the visa is going to be a problem?
Thanks