Accepted Professions (sticky)

[cssaini]

Doesn't matter, unless you believe that you will get fast decision if they sign on right or on left, or just toss a coin

I think tossing a coin will give you a more accurate prediction of how fast your application will be lol

Hi this is an interesting topic of discussion I may sound stupid too but can't help but bit confused myself about this referee situation.

I am also filing my application this Saturday through NCS and all looks pretty straight forward to me except referee section. Basically I am quite clear as stated in application that one referee should be a person of any nationality who has professional standing and other referee must normally be the holder of a British citizen passport and either a professional person.

So I am using one of my friend who is NHS doctor and like me a permanent British resident (ILR holder since April 2011) as first referee and my wife’s friend who is dentist as second referee. My only confusion is that can I use two referees from same profession? As both the referees are doctors.

Or can I use my company director as my second referee? But same director has also signed my employment letter stating number of years I am with company(over 6 years) to show my association to company I work with and highlighting my financial status. Ideally I would like to us my NHS friend(ILR holder) and director as referees but wonder if it can be done

Please advise.

[neoseal]

Should be fine. No where it says that other referee has to be non-professional.

[cssaini]

Should be fine. No where it says that other referee has to be non-professional.

Thanks neoseal for the quick response.

So can I use My NHS doctor friend who is ILR holder and my company director who is British passport holder but also signing my letter as my referee?

[Derivaz]

Should be fine. No where it says that other referee has to be non-professional.

Thanks neoseal for the quick response.

So can I use My NHS doctor friend who is ILR holder and my company director who is British passport holder but also signing my letter as my referee?

a professional standing means that they have to be registered with a professional body like Health Professions Coundil; I assume NHS doctors are registered with one, so that would work, regardless of the nationality.

regarding the British Passport holder; I think the only requirement is that they have to be over 25 and not related to you or the other referee, but i didn't see anything saying that he can't issue your letter of employement too, etc... so I think you are fine.

[luk1c]

Hi, warehouse manager will be accepted?

[Derivaz]

Hi, warehouse manager will be accepted?

don't take my advice on this too serious, cos I'm not sure, but why would a warehouse manager be considered a personal of professional standing?

Anyone, without any education or registration with any professional body could be a warehouse manager; so my guess is no, but again; I'm not an expert in this

[luk1c]

Hi, warehouse manager will be accepted?

don't take my advice on this too serious, cos I'm not sure, but why would a warehouse manager be considered a personal of professional standing?

Anyone, without any education or registration with any professional body could be a warehouse manager; so my guess is no, but again; I'm not an expert in this

Ok, but still manager. On list accepted professional person is manager limited company!

[neoseal]

Manager in a limited company is acceptable. Many on the list do not require much education. Very vague list with lot of room for interpretation or misinterpretation.

[Derivaz]

Manager in a limited company is acceptable. Many on the list do not require much education. Very vague list with lot of room for interpretation or misinterpretation.

But a warehouse manager? I wouldn't think they are a person of professional standing, but like you said the list is very vague as most HO's rules, so if they want to refuse someone's application they can always find a reason....

Although, from what I've read here, they rarely refuse an application over their choice of referees... so I guess the risk is pretty low...

[luk1c]

What about HR officer? Where I can confirm 100%.

[neoseal]

HR manager/ Personnel manager all fine. In fact the main job of HR is to provide reference.

Why are you so picky, do you have many choices to pick from?

[luk1c]

HR manager/ Personnel manager all fine. In fact the main job of HR is to provide reference.

Why are you so picky, do you have many choices to pick from?

Yes but I have reference from HR Officer not HR manager!

[Derivaz]

HR manager/ Personnel manager all fine. In fact the main job of HR is to provide reference.

Why are you so picky, do you have many choices to pick from?

Yes but I have reference from HR Officer not HR manager!

I think you'll be fine with the HR officer / manager; it sounds more professional to me than the warehouse manager...

[neoseal]

HR officer is fine as well. Warehouse manager will do as well.

There is nothing like more professional or less professional. Warehouse manager position should not be under estimated. They should be the most praised of all the managers, as without them the world would come to stand still. They also have good education and the job requires same or more intellectual knowledge than other managers in a company.

For the purpose of this application I don't think UKBA will differentiate your application with another that has warehouse manager as referee.

Referee lists "director of ltd company", there is absolutely no education or knowledge or professional registration requirement to be a director of a company. What will you class them as?

Just take it easy and go with your instinct.

[luk1c]

Hi can I use the same referee for join aplication( me and my wife) thanks!

[Derivaz]

HR officer is fine as well. Warehouse manager will do as well.

There is nothing like more professional or less professional. Warehouse manager position should not be under estimated. They should be the most praised of all the managers, as without them the world would come to stand still. They also have good education and the job requires same or more intellectual knowledge than other managers in a company.

For the purpose of this application I don't think UKBA will differentiate your application with another that has warehouse manager as referee.

Referee lists "director of ltd company", there is absolutely no education or knowledge or professional registration requirement to be a director of a company. What will you class them as?

Just take it easy and go with your instinct.

Yeah, like in most cases; the information provided by the HO is quite vague; so you are never 100% sure, but he'll probably be fine.

[Derivaz]

Hi can I use the same referee for join aplication( me and my wife) thanks!

Well, both you and your wife would be using the same referee; rather than you using the same referee twice; I haven't read anywhere in the guide that 2 different applicants can't use the same referee, so common sense would tell me that you can.

[Cleo22]

Hi guys, here is a sticky situation i got into:

I asked my neighbour who is British, over 25, to sign my application as a 2nd referee. We had a chat, as usually, her daughter was there, I mentioned that my doctor refused to sign for me because although I had been a patient of the surgery and she had been my GP for over 7 years now, she hasn't seen me in the beginning and the first time was about 2 years ago and not 3. I mentioned that I was going to approach someone else again.

Then my neighbour's daughter said she could sign as a professional referee as she has done it for many people for passports and no one has ever had a problem. She used to be a police officer but retired from that job, she's had her baby and is now working part time in a hospital. I did stress out that the list says

- Officer of the armed services (active pr retired)
but
- Police Officer (doesn't say "retired")

I mentioned that this is a very important issue and that they could be a bit too picky about referees and handed the application over to them.

I've just got it back, signed both by the mother and the daughter.
They both wrote neighbour/friend, they have the same last name but live at different addresses, both in the same street but the houses are different.

The mother is retired, 72, the daughter wrote - retired police officer

All of it is true, we practically see each other every day, we are in very good terms and I can see they genuinely wanted to help me with my application but I am in doubt now - is the daughter's signature going to be accepted if she is a retired and not active police officer?

What would your advice be, shall I look for someone else or...? And both spaces are now filled in, I am really confused.

[Derivaz]

Hi guys, here is a sticky situation i got into:

I asked my neighbour who is British, over 25, to sign my application as a 2nd referee. We had a chat, as usually, her daughter was there, I mentioned that my doctor refused to sign for me because although I had been a patient of the surgery and she had been my GP for over 7 years now, she hasn't seen me in the beginning and the first time was about 2 years ago and not 3. I mentioned that I was going to approach someone else again.

Then my neighbour's daughter said she could sign as a professional referee as she has done it for many people for passports and no one has ever had a problem. She used to be a police officer but retired from that job, she's had her baby and is now working part time in a hospital. I did stress out that the list says

- Officer of the armed services (active pr retired)
but
- Police Officer (doesn't say "retired")

I mentioned that this is a very important issue and that they could be a bit too picky about referees and handed the application over to them.

I've just got it back, signed both by the mother and the daughter.
They both wrote neighbour/friend, they have the same last name but live at different addresses, both in the same street but the houses are different.

The mother is retired, 72, the daughter wrote - retired police officer

All of it is true, we practically see each other every day, we are in very good terms and I can see they genuinely wanted to help me with my application but I am in doubt now - is the daughter's signature going to be accepted if she is a retired and not active police officer?

What would your advice be, shall I look for someone else or...? And both spaces are now filled in, I am really confused.

It's not clear whether the daughter will be accepted; the mother as the non professional referee, no problem; the daughter as the professional referee, not sure; I think they would accept it, but they could also reject it; I think the risk is low, but there is a risk involved.

However, you can't use both, because they are related; you can use either of them, but not both

[Cleo22]

Hi guys, here is a sticky situation i got into:

I asked my neighbour who is British, over 25, to sign my application as a 2nd referee. We had a chat, as usually, her daughter was there, I mentioned that my doctor refused to sign for me because although I had been a patient of the surgery and she had been my GP for over 7 years now, she hasn't seen me in the beginning and the first time was about 2 years ago and not 3. I mentioned that I was going to approach someone else again.

Then my neighbour's daughter said she could sign as a professional referee as she has done it for many people for passports and no one has ever had a problem. She used to be a police officer but retired from that job, she's had her baby and is now working part time in a hospital. I did stress out that the list says

- Officer of the armed services (active pr retired)
but
- Police Officer (doesn't say "retired")

I mentioned that this is a very important issue and that they could be a bit too picky about referees and handed the application over to them.

I've just got it back, signed both by the mother and the daughter.
They both wrote neighbour/friend, they have the same last name but live at different addresses, both in the same street but the houses are different.

The mother is retired, 72, the daughter wrote - retired police officer

All of it is true, we practically see each other every day, we are in very good terms and I can see they genuinely wanted to help me with my application but I am in doubt now - is the daughter's signature going to be accepted if she is a retired and not active police officer?

What would your advice be, shall I look for someone else or...? And both spaces are now filled in, I am really confused.

It's not clear whether the daughter will be accepted; the mother as the non professional referee, no problem; the daughter as the professional referee, not sure; I think they would accept it, but they could also reject it; I think the risk is low, but there is a risk involved.

However, you can't use both, because they are related; you can use either of them, but not both

Thank you so much for pointing this out! I was so busy thinking if the daughter would be accepted as a professional referee that I totally forgot about that! Obviously, they haven't noticed it, although I have given them the guide to read etc. I'll keep looking for someone else. Thanks again!

[Derivaz]

Hi guys, here is a sticky situation i got into:

I asked my neighbour who is British, over 25, to sign my application as a 2nd referee. We had a chat, as usually, her daughter was there, I mentioned that my doctor refused to sign for me because although I had been a patient of the surgery and she had been my GP for over 7 years now, she hasn't seen me in the beginning and the first time was about 2 years ago and not 3. I mentioned that I was going to approach someone else again.

Then my neighbour's daughter said she could sign as a professional referee as she has done it for many people for passports and no one has ever had a problem. She used to be a police officer but retired from that job, she's had her baby and is now working part time in a hospital. I did stress out that the list says

- Officer of the armed services (active pr retired)
but
- Police Officer (doesn't say "retired")

I mentioned that this is a very important issue and that they could be a bit too picky about referees and handed the application over to them.

I've just got it back, signed both by the mother and the daughter.
They both wrote neighbour/friend, they have the same last name but live at different addresses, both in the same street but the houses are different.

The mother is retired, 72, the daughter wrote - retired police officer

All of it is true, we practically see each other every day, we are in very good terms and I can see they genuinely wanted to help me with my application but I am in doubt now - is the daughter's signature going to be accepted if she is a retired and not active police officer?

What would your advice be, shall I look for someone else or...? And both spaces are now filled in, I am really confused.

It's not clear whether the daughter will be accepted; the mother as the non professional referee, no problem; the daughter as the professional referee, not sure; I think they would accept it, but they could also reject it; I think the risk is low, but there is a risk involved.

However, you can't use both, because they are related; you can use either of them, but not both

Thank you so much for pointing this out! I was so busy thinking if the daughter would be accepted as a professional referee that I totally forgot about that! Obviously, they haven't noticed it, although I have given them the guide to read etc. I'll keep looking for someone else. Thanks again!

Try to find a professional ref and use them and the mother if you can't find any at all, use the daughter as professional ref and someone else as non prof. I think the daughter will be accepted, but it's a bit of a risk; although everything is with the HO lol

[pinkpanter]

I need to send my application for BN. My company manager (who know me for three years and is British) happy to give me her reference. I am now struggling for second reference. Can my collegue, who is british but not professional and she is over the age of 25 can give me second referee reference? Please advice

[neoseal]

Manager of VAT registered company can act as professional referee and the other colleague as general referee.

[Derivaz]

Manager of VAT registered company can act as professional referee and the other colleague as general referee.

and they don't have to be British; they can be any nationality as far as I know

[neoseal]

Yes professional referee don't have to be British.