Irish passports among most difficult to get in EU

[agniukas]

i heard that LTR now takes around 12 months... so the progress is there...
we all know that desentralisation was a joke. and it was cancelled half way as the recession hit and funding was not there anymore... all that wasn't the brightest idea...

[fatty patty]

i would guess that some of those 130 people are sent to LTR, EU treaty rights and other sections

Yeah like the LTR/EU Treaty and other section are setting the world on fire with their speed of deliverance!

we all know that desentralisation was a joke. and it was cancelled half way as the recession hit and funding was not there anymore... all that wasn't the brightest idea...

I dont think you have read that report....that Tipperary exercise by the department was not deferred due to shortfall in fundings...issue is like with every other public service department i am assuming....that no senior manager followed it up.

If that would've been private sector some one would've been fired! But this word and others like follow up, profitability, efficiency, customer services, responsibility, are not in department's dictionary now are they?

[agniukas]

well, the government men and women should have thought of this before... not everyone wants to uproot / move / relocate to tipperary...

[fatty patty]

well, the government men and women should have thought of this before... not everyone wants to uproot / move / relocate to tipperary...

They won the hurling All Ireland...you are very hard man/woman to please agniukas.

[agniukas]

They won the hurling All Ireland...you are very hard man/woman to please agniukas.

i personally wouldn't move to tipp just for that...

[fatty patty]

Ireland 26 months approx fees 950 yoyos
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section

UK 6 months fees 750 sterling
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/

Finland 18 months fees €400
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=4048

Norway 15 months fees 2500 NOK (€317)
http://www.udi.no/Norwegian-Directorate ... izenship-/

Austria 12 months fees upto €1552
http://www.wien.gv.at/english/administr ... index.html

Dutch 6 months fees upto €567
http://www.ind.nl/EN/

[victor8600]

Ireland 26 months approx fees 950 yoyos

Ah, sure, it is grand. What is the rush, anyway?

[walrusgumble]

Ireland 26 months approx fees 950 yoyos
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section

UK 6 months fees 750 sterling
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/

Finland 18 months fees €400
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=4048

Norway 15 months fees 2500 NOK (€317)
http://www.udi.no/Norwegian-Directorate ... izenship-/

Austria 12 months fees upto €1552
http://www.wien.gv.at/english/administr ... index.html

Dutch 6 months fees upto €567
http://www.ind.nl/EN/

what's the application rate?

[fatty patty]

Ireland 26 months approx fees 950 yoyos
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section

UK 6 months fees 750 sterling
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/

Finland 18 months fees €400
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=4048

Norway 15 months fees 2500 NOK (€317)
http://www.udi.no/Norwegian-Directorate ... izenship-/

Austria 12 months fees upto €1552
http://www.wien.gv.at/english/administr ... index.html

Dutch 6 months fees upto €567
http://www.ind.nl/EN/

what's the application rate?

So how was the holidays?

Way more than Irish thats for sure...if you trying to suggest otherwise. You aren't serious if you saying that UK of all HOLLAND of all has the slowest app rate than any other developed nation in the world.

[walrusgumble]

Ireland 26 months approx fees 950 yoyos
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section

UK 6 months fees 750 sterling
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/

Finland 18 months fees €400
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp?article=4048

Norway 15 months fees 2500 NOK (€317)
http://www.udi.no/Norwegian-Directorate ... izenship-/

Austria 12 months fees upto €1552
http://www.wien.gv.at/english/administr ... index.html

Dutch 6 months fees upto €567
http://www.ind.nl/EN/

what's the application rate?

So how was the holidays?

Way more than Irish thats for sure...if you trying to suggest otherwise. You aren't serious if you saying that UK of all HOLLAND of all has the slowest app rate than any other developed nation in the world.

I am suggesting nothing, clearly the dutch and brits are more efficent than the Irish at many thing, but please do provide some facts as you so kindly did for the others, instead of assuming. It would be interesting to see what the tred is throughout Europe, afterall Ireland and the Uk were down as the big hotspots for non European Nationald and former Russian States in the previous years (of course many have left, but you get the point) You missed the point I am not asking about the slow rate, christ for all I know they can process 1000 in a week, but it would be worth looking at how many new engerlanders and orange dutch aspirants they are (many no doubt, who wouldn't, been great countries and all that)

[fatty patty]

I am suggesting nothing, clearly the dutch and brits are more efficent than the Irish at many thing, but please do provide some facts as you so kindly did for the others, instead of assuming. It would be interesting to see what the tred is throughout Europe, afterall Ireland and the Uk were down as the big hotspots for non European Nationald and former Russian States in the previous years (of course many have left, but you get the point) You missed the point I am not asking about the slow rate, christ for all I know they can process 1000 in a week, but it would be worth looking at how many new engerlanders and orange dutch aspirants they are (many no doubt, who wouldn't, been great countries and all that)

In 2008, the largest groups that acquired citizenship of an EU member state were citizens of Morocco (64,000 people), Turkey (50,000), Ecuador (27,000) and Algeria (23,000). A trend is mainly towards former colonies for e.g. France --> Algerians, Morrocans, Africans. Germans/Austria --> Turks, Kosovans. Spanish/Portugal --> South Americans. UK --> Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis, Filipinos.



UK apps 193,810 in 2009.


http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb0910.pdf


France ranked first with a total of 137,320, while Germany and Spain were ranked third and fourth, with 94,470 and 84,170, respectively.

In terms of the highest rates of citizenship granted compared to the total population, the top nation was Sweden, with 3.3 citizenships granted per 1,000 inhabitants, followed by Luxembourg at 2.5, and France, Portugal and the United Kingdom at 2.1.

Sweden also scored top spot in terms of the number of citizenships granted per the number of foreign residents at 54, followed by Portugal (51), Poland ( 48 ), Finland (47) and Hungary (43).



BTW...Czech Republic is mentioned as the meanest of the mean in EU (ahead of Ireland) in this Irish Independent report ( http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 48437.html ) over citizenships isn't due to their stingy nature on granting citizenship its because not enough apps to go about.

Ref: http://www.praguepost.com/news/5029-rat ... in-eu.html

In the light of above, INIS record is abysmal, shocking, deragatory and a yellow bart simpson's backside in the face of law abiding/tax paying/hardworking immigrants.

PS: as mentioned on earlier posts Ireland has roughly approx 18k apps to work on.

[walrusgumble]

I am suggesting nothing, clearly the dutch and brits are more efficent than the Irish at many thing, but please do provide some facts as you so kindly did for the others, instead of assuming. It would be interesting to see what the tred is throughout Europe, afterall Ireland and the Uk were down as the big hotspots for non European Nationald and former Russian States in the previous years (of course many have left, but you get the point) You missed the point I am not asking about the slow rate, christ for all I know they can process 1000 in a week, but it would be worth looking at how many new engerlanders and orange dutch aspirants they are (many no doubt, who wouldn't, been great countries and all that)

In 2008, the largest groups that acquired citizenship of an EU member state were citizens of Morocco (64,000 people), Turkey (50,000), Ecuador (27,000) and Algeria (23,000). A trend is mainly towards former colonies for e.g. France --> Algerians, Morrocans, Africans. Germans/Austria --> Turks, Kosovans. Spanish/Portugal --> South Americans. UK --> Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis, Filipinos.



UK apps 193,810 in 2009.


http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb0910.pdf


France ranked first with a total of 137,320, while Germany and Spain were ranked third and fourth, with 94,470 and 84,170, respectively.

In terms of the highest rates of citizenship granted compared to the total population, the top nation was Sweden, with 3.3 citizenships granted per 1,000 inhabitants, followed by Luxembourg at 2.5, and France, Portugal and the United Kingdom at 2.1.

Sweden also scored top spot in terms of the number of citizenships granted per the number of foreign residents at 54, followed by Portugal (51), Poland ( 48 ), Finland (47) and Hungary (43).



BTW...Czech Republic is mentioned as the meanest of the mean in EU (ahead of Ireland) in this Irish Independent report ( http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 48437.html ) over citizenships isn't due to their stingy nature on granting citizenship its because not enough apps to go about.

Ref: http://www.praguepost.com/news/5029-rat ... in-eu.html

In the light of above, INIS record is abysmal, shocking, deragatory and a yellow bart simpson's backside in the face of law abiding/tax paying/hardworking immigrants.

PS: as mentioned on earlier posts Ireland has roughly approx 18k apps to work on.

Fair play, so as I expected in my ealier post and what we are saying, its not really got anything to do with the amount but just the minister "using his discretion" and basically stone walling them in the hope that they will go away and leave

[9jeirean]

Submission by Alan Shatter TD, during the Dail's debate on the Immigration bill yesterday. A bit lengthy but worth the read. It summarizes all that have been said on this thread and other related threads on this forum.

"Those who have ears let them hear" Nuff said.

Have a nice day y'all .

Source: http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?i ... hip#g242.0

[quote]Briefly, I pay tribute to some of the groups and organisations which work with immigrants and which, over the years of the three different Bills, have provided assistance to Members of this House in their consideration of what was published. In particular, I refer to the Immigrant Council of Ireland, the Irish Refugee Council and the Migrant Rights Centre. I also wish to note those absent, in the context of making submissions on this Bill. The Human Rights Commission made substantial observations on the 2008 Bill. From inquiries made it is unfortunate that due to the cutbacks inflicted on that body, it has apparently been unable to make detailed submissions to Members of this House and to the public on its views of the Bill as it is now reconstructed. That is a detrimental development.

This is the Government’s third attempt in four years to enact comprehensive legislation for the management of inward migration to Ireland. While the Bill is an improvement on its two predecessors, it is a fundamentally flawed piece of legislation. Radical restructuring and major amendments are required to make this Bill fit for purpose and to provide for the coherent and comprehensive legislation necessary to achieve the Government’s aim of establishing a fair, transparent and comprehensive immigration structure and policy, based on readily identifiable rules and regulations. Legislation such as this requires essential balance. The right of the State to determine the rules applicable to the residence in the State of non-EU nationals and the right and obligation of Government to protect the interests of citizens in this State and the common good is, of course, centre stage. However, the conduct of the State, of Government and its institutions, must also respect human rights and this State’s international obligations to protect the fundamental rights guaranteed to persons under the European Convention on the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of facial Discrimination, the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the International Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Although this Bill purports to take on board some of this State’s obligations under international conventions, it fails to adequately address the human rights of immigrants and their families and the rights of Irish citizens to a full family life in circumstances in which their spouse is neither a citizen of this State or any other EU state.

The Bill delegates excessive power to the Minister for Justice and Law Reform. Under it, the Minister has broad discretionary powers to make orders and regulations to hammer out the nuts and bolts of the system of immigration control. In too many parts, despite its extraordinary length, the Bill is a mere skeleton lacking legislative flesh and fails to provide the essential legal certainty required in this very important area of our law. It fails to clearly specify who can enter the State, the rules applicable to determine how long they can stay, the circumstances in which they can be joined by family members and what rights and entitlements attach to migrants when lawfully present in Ireland. The broad indeterminate and discretionary provisions contained in the Bill will continue to preserve the risk of individuals being unjustly treated as a consequence of arbitrary decisions. While undoubtedly the legislation should provide for some flexibility and not be a straitjacket, in its current form it is too imprecise and confers an excessive and unnecessarily broad discretionary power on the Minister.

The Minister is essentially delegating to himself such broad powers to make regulations under the Bill as to be effectively establishing himself as an alternative, independent and individual Dáil Chamber. The Bill is designed by the Minister to essentially establish “Oireachtas Ahernâ€