10,000 fraudulent passports issued last year

[OL7MAX]

10,000 fraudulent passports issued last year: article.

If you need a passport to get an ID card - hey, the admitted fradulent passports means upto 10K fraudulent ID cards already in the waiting. And that's just from passports issued last year.

And what about the ones they didn't catch?

[Rog]

Asylum holders, criminals etc who suck the British economy are rewarded with the coveted maroon passports. I read in a newspaper that the Afghan plane hijackers who applied for asylum are British citizens. It is only the slogging HSMP holders who are being weeded out and deported by stealth.

[samkma]

British Immigration (Home Office) is just for laughs

[Dawie]

10,000 fraudulent passports issued last year: article.

If you need a passport to get an ID card - hey, the admitted fradulent passports means upto 10K fraudulent ID cards already in the waiting. And that's just from passports issued last year.

And what about the ones they didn't catch?

Actually I think in the future you will need an ID card to get a passport not the other way round. In any case, if someone can fraudulantly obtain a passport, they could just as easily obtain an ID card using the same deception. So ID cards are not the solution, as the government claims.

In any case, do 10000 fraudulantly issued passports (out of 6.6 million issued) really constitute a crisis? It certainly doesn't justify the invasion of our privacy that ID cards will mean.

And, most concerningly, what recourse to appeal do you have if the passport agency deems that you are not who you say you are? You could potentially go for an interview in good faith and be declined because the person who interviews you is suspicious, perhaps because you are nervous, or you don't know the answer to a question about your past.

Also, what about the millions of British citizens who live overseas? How is the passport agency going to ask a British citizen who has lived in Spain for 30 years about their history when they have no way of accessing this information?

[Christophe]

Actually I think in the future you will need an ID card to get a passport not the other way round. In any case, if someone can fraudulantly obtain a passport, they could just as easily obtain an ID card using the same deception. So ID cards are not the solution, as the government claims.

This point, indirectly, points to a problem with ID cards, namely that, once someone has obtained one fraudulently, the false identity is in effect 'cemented' into place; because of the nature of things, it is likely that, for all practical, day-to-day purposes, an ID card will be accepted as pretty much 'defitive' proof of identity.

[adindas]

Those who got fraudulent passports, who issued, falsified, or stealing the original passport. are alll criminals

They could get UK passport by deception. They are living in the UK in the expense of others. This action should be fully discouraged.

Adindas

10,000 fraudulent passports issued last year: article.

If you need a passport to get an ID card - hey, the admitted fradulent passports means upto 10K fraudulent ID cards already in the waiting. And that's just from passports issued last year.

And what about the ones they didn't catch?

[OL7MAX]

Those who got fraudulent passports, who issued, falsified, or stealing the original passport. are alll criminals

In my mind those who try to palm us this ID card scheme purely to "secure their legacy", who use the excuse of security to make us less secure, who preach to the world about the values of freedom while resolutely undermining our own are the real criminals. The ones whose criminality is on such a vast scale it defies belief are the ones we should be seeking punishment for first.

The most dangerous kind of idealist is one who poses as a pragmatist.

[Rog]

Their crimes also include luring skilled migrants on a false promise of settlement, uprooting their families and now making them go back to an uncertain future. They actaually only want overseas workers to stay for 3-4 years paying all taxes and then going back.

[Dawie]

Their crimes also include luring skilled migrants on a false promise of settlement, uprooting their families and now making them go back to an uncertain future. They actaually only want overseas workers to stay for 3-4 years paying all taxes and then going back.

If you think it's getting difficult to get settlement after a work permit in the UK, just look at the American system of H1B visas. Now that's slave labour...

[vin123]

One of the main issues at the UK port of entries is that there is no facility to check genuinity of a UK passport that is shown by a person to gain entry into the UK.

The passports numbers while machine reading are only checked for blacklisted ones, not the entire database of genuine passports.

A passport appearing to be valid need not be a genuine one.
Bear in mind that the issue of false UK passport backdates to at least 10-15 years and there are criminal lobbies still active around this business of tapping loopholes for securing passports by false means.
This is major hurdle thats being worked on.

[Dawie]

One of the main issues at the UK port of entries is that there is no facility to check genuinity of a UK passport that is shown by a person to gain entry into the UK.

The passports numbers while machine reading are only checked for blacklisted ones, not the entire database of genuine passports.

A passport appearing to be valid need not be a genuine one.
Bear in mind that the issue of false UK passport backdates to at least 10-15 years and there are criminal lobbies still active around this business.
This is major hurdle thats being worked on.

If you look at the previous IT project failures of the UK government (e.g. the GP medical records system that was supposed to be a centralised database of patient records that any GP could access from anywhere, or the disasterous Inland Revenue Tax Credit System), it's hard to imagine that they could ever successfully implement an online system accessible from every port of entry to compare British passports to a live database.

And what would they do where British border controls have been moved to other countries like the Eurostar in Brussels and Paris, and the Calais port? The security implications of having live terminals where immigration officers can access the details of every passport holder on the database are huge.

[vin123]

If you look at the previous IT project failures of the UK government (e.g. the GP medical records system that was supposed to be a centralised database of patient records that any GP could access from anywhere, or the disasterous Inland Revenue Tax Credit System), it's hard to imagine that they could ever successfully implement an online system accessible from every port of entry to compare British passports to a live database.

With regards to NHS and HMRC, It's actually the strategy and the vision that failed, not just execution or implementation of projects.
What the politicians are good in doing is blame the other side to cover their @ss's - typical in any democratic set up.

Yes, you are right, security is a major challenge that’s why govt has involved all levels of participation right from MOD.
Regardless of Tories or Labour in power, good thing is that, there is common consensus re: security measures, so hopefully they get it right at least 80/20 unlike NHS & HMRC. Both these programs had a lot of political inclinations right from top level politicians to those in the bottom chain who implemented the solutions, so failure was inevitable.

[jes2jes]

Some progress folks on the fake passport scenerio. Police have made some arrests at some 'Ppt factories' across the Southeast.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6483205.stm

[adindas]

In the name of justice, these people should be arrested as they are criminals.

Adindas

Some progress folks on the fake passport scenerio. Police have made some arrests at some 'Ppt factories' across the Southeast.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6483205.stm