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I was in this situation (EEA child of a British by descent mother). However no attempt was ever made to register me. Aside from not being able to acquire PR as a dependent of my mother (as she had British as well as an EEA citizenship) and therefore having no way to exercise treaty rights, I believe I would have been eligible for registration under sections 3(2) and 3(5). Unfortunately, no attempt was ever made to register me.Richard W wrote:The OP is the 'someone else' of the thread EEA Child of British Citizen. Unfortunately, there was no solution for the general problem.
Up until 16 July 2012, being British did not disqualify one from being an EEA national. As your signature says you acquired PR in June 2012, you were unlikely to have faced any problems.ohara wrote:Richard W wrote:I was in this situation (EEA child of a British by descent mother). However no attempt was ever made to register me. Aside from not being able to acquire PR as a dependent of my mother (as she had British as well as an EEA citizenship) and therefore having no way to exercise treaty rights, I believe I would have been eligible for registration under sections 3(2) and 3(5). Unfortunately, no attempt was ever made to register me.
I've never had any issues with my immigration status in the UK. I've also never had CSI.
It's water under the bridge now anyway, as my mother died 3 years ago and I'm well over 18, but would I have been able to acquire PR through her being a worker? She was in employment continuously from at least 1997 until approximately 2008.Richard W wrote:Up until 16 July 2012, being British did not disqualify one from being an EEA national. As your signature says you acquired PR in June 2012, you were unlikely to have faced any problems.
I trust you have examples besides Ohara, who achieved PR as a family member of his mother.noajthan wrote:@ToonBarmy, as ohara has mentioned it is possible for an EEA minor to live a stable life in UK untroubled by immigration matters even without without acquiring PR.
Have I missed something? Did anyone mention the Swiss child being removed?Richard W wrote:I trust you have examples besides Ohara, who achieved PR as a family member of his mother.noajthan wrote:@ToonBarmy, as ohara has mentioned it is possible for an EEA minor to live a stable life in UK untroubled by immigration matters even without without acquiring PR.
I'm wondering if removing the the Swiss girl would be a disproportionate interference with the right to a family life.
Comments like that totally miss the point of above reassurances. And no need to scare your friend or acquaintance unnecessarily.Richard W wrote:I trust you have examples besides Ohara, who achieved PR as a family member of his mother.noajthan wrote:@ToonBarmy, as ohara has mentioned it is possible for an EEA minor to live a stable life in UK untroubled by immigration matters even without acquiring PR.
I'm wondering if removing the the Swiss girl would be a disproportionate interference with the right to a family life.
You've obviously have. The girl has no leave to remain, and apparently no basis of stay under the EEA Regulations. Unless there is some relevant EU regulation or treaty right we have not identified, she is an overstayer.Casa wrote:Have I missed something? Did anyone mention the Swiss child being removed?
Yes the OP wants advice on how to prevent the the citizenship application failing. I have no positive advice to give on this, and the positive example Noajthan gave is quite different once one considers the differences in the acquisition of ILR and PR. At least in family cases, parent and child usually get ILR together, even if the parent immigrates before the child. With PR, a child will not catch up with a parent, but what is significant is that their clocks are locked to one another. In the OP's family, there is no such synchronisation. The daughter has, so far as I am aware, never had a settlement-related UK visa. She entered the UK using the EEA-like privilege of the Swiss. The mother has never been an 'EEA national', and has never, so far as I am aware, entered the UK in the capacity of a family member of an EEA national. It's an unusual situation.Casa wrote:Your friend or acquaintance in their opening post wrote " They (HO) state that as the minor of an EEA national" I assumed this thread was about refusal of the BC application, not the risk of removal.
The OP has clearly been misinformed - quite possibly by the HO helpline. The daughter clearly doesn't have the right of abode - she isn't a Commonwealth citizen! I have no reason to believe she is a "qualified person", though it's just conceivable CSI is now in place. Unless she has recently been transformed into a 'self-sufficient' person,ToonBarmy wrote:As my stepdaughter traveled upon her Swiss passport and entered the U.K on this passport so no visa was applied for in Thailand, her stay here in the U.K is lawful and she does not require a visa to be here, I have checked with the HO and explained all the facts, I have been told she is here as an EEA / Swiss person, is counted as a "qualified person" and has the right of abode.
Just the daughter. The OP and his wife are British, and the OP has not mentioned any other children. So far as I can tell, ignorance of the law has lead to the daughter becoming an overstayer.Casa wrote:you can confirm that this case does not involve someone from a group of EEA overstayers.
That sounds like' a reliance on the Teixeira ruling. However, if you reread the OP's post, there's no mention of the daughter's biological father ever having been in the UK, and the Teixeira ruling (and its transposition into the EEA Regulations, as part of Regulation 15A) relates only to the children of an 'EEA national' worker. The mother is a Thai/British dual national - there is no hint of her being Swiss. (If she were, it would vastly simplify matters.)Casa wrote:I stand with Noajthan's view
"My understanding is, your step-daughter's position in UK is, as a bare minimum, assurred as she is (at the very least) an EEA/EU 'child in education';
that means she may reside and study in UK (at least) until the end of her primary and secondary education.
That gives you breathing space to dig into and solve the problem."
I may have misunderstood your question. I mentioned two groups of overstayers because one doesn't hear of action being taken against them. But in a sense, the daughter does match the description. Many people just assume that EU nationals can freely move to other EU countries, and don't realise that they need to exercise treaty rights. In this case, the assumption was the OP's. So perhaps the answer should be, "No, I can't, because it does."Casa wrote:you can confirm that this case does not involve someone from a group of EEA overstayers.
Mention of overstay and leave to remain are wholly inappropriate as OP's daughter is not following a UK immigration trajectory.Richard W wrote:You've obviously have. The girl has no leave to remain, and apparently no basis of stay under the EEA Regulations. Unless there is some relevant EU regulation or treaty right we have not identified, she is an overstayer.Casa wrote:Have I missed something? Did anyone mention the Swiss child being removed?
What if the family is in receipt of child benefit and working tax credit? They have been; it is conceivable that their situation has improved recently).noajthan wrote:If a self-sufficient EEA/EU national (qualified person) has access to all necessary resources there is no requirement or stipulation whatsoever as to their origin;
It all seems rather speculative if OP is unable to present facts of his case.Richard W wrote:What if the family is in receipt of child benefit and working tax credit? They have been; it is conceivable that their situation has improved recently).noajthan wrote:If a self-sufficient EEA/EU national (qualified person) has access to all necessary resources there is no requirement or stipulation whatsoever as to their origin;
Would CSI be needed just for the daughter?
Moderator edit: Please do not posts links to other immigration forums, now removedRichard W wrote:What if the family is in receipt of child benefit and working tax credit? They have been; it is conceivable that their situation has improved recently.noajthan wrote:If a self-sufficient EEA/EU national (qualified person) has access to all necessary resources there is no requirement or stipulation whatsoever as to their origin;
Would CSI be needed just for the daughter?
The principles for calculating self-sufficiency for members of a mixed family seem to be complex or awaiting case law. Is a 7-year old child living on its own entitled to social assistance? Can the parents make all their resources available to the child, or are they supposed to feed, clothe and shelter themselves?noajthan wrote:The BCs don't need CSI, they are out of scope; they are not (and cannot be) dependents of a minor in an EU migration context.
Did they explain by what (British) EEA Regulation, (EU) directive and article, court judgement or concession she was lawfully present? Have they (or you) confused being present lawfully with merely not going to be removed? Discretion would be highly relevant to the latter decision.ToonBarmy wrote:Regarding the issues raised of CSI, having spoken to an registered OISC adviser and having made six separate calls to HO (i know, i know their information is not very reliable as highlighted in previous posts) i have been given the same information consistently by both the OISC adviser and HO,
: My daughter is here lawfully, as an EEA national, whilst she is here due to her Swiss nationality, she is NOT classified as being a qualified person in education whom would thus need to be "self sufficient" and needing to have CSI, as a minor there is i am told a lot of discretion, i have been told she does not need to have CSI, this would only apply to a student in education aged 16+.
What application are you talking about? Registration at discretion? Registration as a qualified person?ToonBarmy wrote:Regarding myself and my wife claiming Child tax credit / Child benefit for my stepdaughter, again i am told this is not an issue, if we were EEA nationals making such a claim this would then be relevant to my daughter, as Brits we have been told it will not effect her application.