When to apply for Naturalisation (citizenship) ?

[leondj]

Very sorry if the answer to this question is somewhere in the forums but I can't find it.

Lets say I have been on a workpermit since 11/04/2003. I then apply for ILR on 14/03/2008 and let's say I get it. When can I then apply for citizenship? 14/03/2009 or 11/04/2009?

Many Thanks

Leon

[paulp]

Please, it's NATURALISATION, not neutralisation. If you want to apply for something, at least know what you are applying for.

nat·u·ral·ise –verb (used with object)
1. to confer upon (an alien) the rights and privileges of a citizen.

neu·ter –verb (used with object)
10. Veterinary Science. to spay or castrate (a dog, cat, etc.).

neu·tral·ise –verb (used with object)
1. to make neutral; cause to undergo neutralisation.
2. to make (something) ineffective; counteract; nullify: carelessness that neutralised our efforts.

[vinny]

For details, see also Can I be naturalised as a British citizen?

[SYH]

Please, it's NATURALISATION, not neutralisation. If you want to apply for something, at least know what you are applying for.

nat·u·ral·ise –verb (used with object)
1. to confer upon (an alien) the rights and privileges of a citizen.

neu·ter –verb (used with object)
10. Veterinary Science. to spay or castrate (a dog, cat, etc.).

neu·tral·ise –verb (used with object)
1. to make neutral; cause to undergo neutralisation.
2. to make (something) ineffective; counteract; nullify:#carelessness that neutralised our efforts.

So you mean UK naturalization is neutralization process??

[JAJ]

So you mean UK naturalization is neutralization process??

He means that it's different.

[leondj]

Thank you very much for the grammer lesson. I would definitely not want to apply to be neutered.....ouch...':shock:'...thanks for the heads up.

However I would still like to confirm if I understand the requirements from the bia website. As far as I can see I should be able to apply for NATURALISATION on 14/03/2009 if I receive my ILR on 14/03/2008 because:

- have been resident in the United Kingdom for at least five years. (It would be 5 years and 11 months then)

- have been free from immigration time restrictions during the last 12 months of the residential qualifying period (Yes 12 months ILR)

- have not spent more than 450 days outside the United Kingdom during the five year period;(Check)

- have not spend more than 90 days outside the United Kingdom in the last 12 months of the five-year period (Check)

...Or am I missing something...?

Leon

[John]

Just ensure that you were in the UK exactly 5 years before BIA will receive the Naturalisation application. It is a strange rule, but very important, and BIA have no discretion about this.

So looking at that date of 14.03.2009, if that is indeed the application date, the question is ... were you physically in the UK on 14.03.2004? If not, don't apply on that date.

For example, if you were on holiday out of the UK from 12.03.04 to 26.03.04, then you would need to wait until at least 26.03.09 before submitting the application.

[SYH]

Just ensure that you were in the UK exactly 5 years before BIA will receive the Naturalisation application. It is a strange rule, but very important, and BIA have no discretion about this.

So looking at that date of 14.03.2009, if that is indeed the application date, the question is ... were you physically in the UK on 14.03.2004? If not, don't apply on that date.

For example, if you were on holiday out of the UK from 12.03.04 to 26.03.04, then you would need to wait until at least 26.03.09 before submitting the application.

yeah why do you think they have that rule?

[Dawie]

Try to the Metropolitan Police, they are very good at neutralising people, especially if you are Brazilian.

[paulp]

Just ensure that you were in the UK exactly 5 years before BIA will receive the Naturalisation application. It is a strange rule, but very important, and BIA have no discretion about this.

So looking at that date of 14.03.2009, if that is indeed the application date, the question is ... were you physically in the UK on 14.03.2004? If not, don't apply on that date.

For example, if you were on holiday out of the UK from 12.03.04 to 26.03.04, then you would need to wait until at least 26.03.09 before submitting the application.

yeah why do you think they have that rule?

As far as I recall, it's how the law is worded. BIA has no discretion over this matter.

[paulp]

Try to the Metropolitan Police, they are very good at neutralising people, especially if you are Brazilian.

At least, naturalisation can only be done by post or NCS, can you imagine an applicant turning up at a counter at BIA saying "I'm here for neutralisation"?

[leondj]

Thanks John,

A very useful bit of information indeed.

[judy7007]

I love this website! browse here quite often...what a hoot!

[SYH]

So you mean UK naturalization is neutralization process??

He means that it's different.

yeah I know, you are no fun

I was implying when you get naturalized that in a way you are neutralized because you Brits tend to be so unemotional. Are you sure you don't get neutered?

[paulp]

yeah I know, you are no fun

I was implying when you get naturalized that in a way you are neutralized because you Brits tend to be so unemotional. Are you sure you don't get neutered?

Oh, that's what the little black cubicle in the citizenship ceremony is for.

[neritan]

Please, it's NATURALISATION, not neutralisation. If you want to apply for something, at least know what you are applying for.

nat·u·ral·ise –verb (used with object)
1. to confer upon (an alien) the rights and privileges of a citizen.

neu·ter –verb (used with object)
10. Veterinary Science. to spay or castrate (a dog, cat, etc.).

neu·tral·ise –verb (used with object)
1. to make neutral; cause to undergo neutralisation.
2. to make (something) ineffective; counteract; nullify: carelessness that neutralised our efforts.

That was a bit harsh mate. Do you speak many other languages fluently? I have met poms that dont write english as well as this fella. Pull the stick out.
cheers

[paulp]

That was a bit harsh mate. Do you speak many other languages fluently? I have met poms that dont write english as well as this fella. Pull the stick out.
cheers

It has happened more than once on this board that posters have confused naturalisation with neutralisation. You wouldn't want them to go on believing they are the same do you? The spelling may be close but the point was that the meaning are very very different.

PS: Don't assume that other posters don't speak many other languages fluently.

[neritan]

That was a bit harsh mate. Do you speak many other languages fluently? I have met poms that dont write english as well as this fella. Pull the stick out.
cheers

It has happened more than once on this board that posters have confused naturalisation with neutralisation. You wouldn't want them to go on believing they are the same do you? The spelling may be close but the point was that the meaning are very very different.

PS: Don't assume that other posters don't speak many other languages fluently.

The line I took exception to is this "If you want to apply for something, at least know what you are applying for. Shocked "
That was arrogant and uncalled for. Do you speak any other languages? are you so perfect in those that you have never made a mistake?
Even the best pocket translation dictionaries wont have either of those words in them. Are you suggesting they go out and buy a really expensive dictionary just to keep you happy? I am sure the home office gets what people are asking for. Perhaps they even point out the error without being a %$£" about it.

[paulp]

The line I took exception to is this "If you want to apply for something, at least know what you are applying for. Shocked "
That was arrogant and uncalled for.

Would you buy something without being sure what you are buying? Would you ask something to be done to you without being sure what it is? Seriously....

Do you speak any other languages? are you so perfect in those that you have never made a mistake?

Let's not get into that. Many people in the world are raised bilingual, trilingual or even more.

I am sure the home office gets what people are asking for. Perhaps they even point out the error without being a %$£" about it.

Asking to be granted British Citizenship is no small matter. How does it reflect on the applicant if he/she didn't even bother to get the name of the process right? What does that reveal about his/her intentions? Does the applicant really want to become a British Citizen with all the rights and duties that it entails, or do they simply want to be able to come/go/work as they want in the UK?

[SYH]

That was a bit harsh mate. Do you speak many other languages fluently? I have met poms that dont write english as well as this fella. Pull the stick out.
cheers

It has happened more than once on this board that posters have confused naturalisation with neutralisation. You wouldn't want them to go on believing they are the same do you? The spelling may be close but the point was that the meaning are very very different.

PS: Don't assume that other posters don't speak many other languages fluently.

The line I took exception to is this "If you want to apply for something, at least know what you are applying for. Shocked "
That was arrogant and uncalled for. Do you speak any other languages? are you so perfect in those that you have never made a mistake?
Even the best pocket translation dictionaries wont have either of those words in them. Are you suggesting they go out and buy a really expensive dictionary just to keep you happy? I am sure the home office gets what people are asking for. Perhaps they even point out the error without being a %$£" about it.

Hmm I don't think the HO likes it or they wouldn't have implemented that stupid life in the uk test.

[Christophe]

I think it's absolutely right to point out something like "neutralisation" instead of "naturalisation", since it is better to find out that sort of mistake here on this forum than elsewhere. However, we need to be sensitive in doing so, and we also need to bear in mind that:

• (a) for many people posting here, English is not their first language: the life in the UK test (and similar tests) requires competence in English but it does not require English to native-speaker standard;
  (b) many native speakers of English would be only dimly aware of the meaning and usage of words such as "naturalisation";
  (c) following on from (b), many people who apply for naturalisation are going to be only dimly aware of the equivalent word or the analogous words in their own language.

Just my sixpence worth!

[John]

OK, point surely made ..... please, no further comment about the word used by the OP.

[paulp]

OK, point surely made ..... please, no further comment about the word used by the OP.

Hi John, is there a way to change the title of the post?

Contrary to what the other posters said, it is not a problem of language, rather one of knowing the proper technical term for the process. We wouldn't want to keep on perpetuating the wrong term to people who only browse the thread titles or are doing a search, right?

[John]

is there a way to change the title of the post?

Done