8 years in Nowhere... Or,failed asylum seekers...

[Spartak]

Hello to All!
I Has arrived from Russia ,has asked a refuge, as well,as another 99%-refusal. 8 of years under control HO.(I come on all interview, report every week..!, in police).I was a citizen of the USSR, now Russia does not accept me, as I not the citizen of Russia. Any documents confirming my person on arrival I had not and don`t have NOW, already here has made legal documents for work, bank, NIN and...
QUESTION: Who know cases,when someone has received any status on the basis:HO for such long time has not solved case,or the person without citizenship?
I will be grateful, for any useful advice.Thanks!

[salimnina]

look for legacy cases

[sakura]

What citizenship do you hold?

[Wanderer]

Rubbish, Russia always considers it's citizens Russian, acknowledges no other citizenships held and you can only rescind Russian citizenship by doing so formally.

On what basis was your claim for asylum?

[Spartak]

look for legacy cases

I had received the letter from HO (Case Resolution Directorate)
from 6/11/2007 begins with words: " Thanks for your letter from 20may2003,accept an apology for a delay...... We advise you to leave the country, it is better for making up to... Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... " That is mean,my case has gone on a shelf...?
Unfortunately again.

[Spartak]

What citizenship do you hold?

I DO NOT HAVE CITIZENSHIP ANY COUNTRY.

[Spartak]

Rubbish, Russia always considers it's citizens Russian, acknowledges no other citizenships held and you can only rescind Russian citizenship by doing so formally.

Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... "

Please,please...
QUESTION: Who know cases,when someone has received any status on the basis:HO for such long time has not solved case,or the person without citizenship?
I will be grateful, for any useful advice.Thanks!

[Wanderer]

I don't get it.

In 2000 you should have changed your Soviet Union internal passport for a Russian one, but not doing that doesn't make you lose your citizenship. My gf only changed hers in 2005 (and got fined for it). She's still a Russian citizen.

I assume you're basing you asylum case on being Stateless, but I don't think you are. If you think you please explain why.

[Administrator]

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What country were you born in? Russia? Ukraine? Somewhere else?

I THINK (I am not certain) the law for former Soviet citizens applies to people coming back to Russia after having resided in other former Soviet states. Especially it was targeted at people born in these territories to Soviet citizens and who were considered Soviet citizens but - for some reason or another - did not have or did not want the citizenship of the former occupied territory they were residing in after the break up of the USSR.

If you were born in Russia, you are a Russian citizen. The government cannot just declare you to be stateless. There has to be some reason/mechanism for you to obtain stateless status.

Which 'country' issued your birth certificate ?

the Admin

[Wanderer]

GF's mother was born in KZ, she got a Russian passport on break up of SU without issue.

Mind u she is ethnic Russian.

Should point out that the 'passport' here is more of an ID card, not an international one.

Funnily enough my gf's old one that expired was issued in 1998 or something but still says 'CCCP' all over it, they used to old blanks till they ran out...

Looks like OP is hoping making himself stateless will get him residency here and not have to return home

[AlexCh]

Hello to All!
I Has arrived from USSR,has asked a refuge, as well,as another 99%-refusal. 8 of years under control HO.(I come on all interview, report every week..!, in police).I was a citizen of the USSR, now Russia does not accept me, as I not the citizen of Russia.

The USSR ceased to exist 16.5 years ago, therefore you could not be a Soviet citizen 8 years ago, unless you came from one of the Baltic states, which are members of EU now.

[salimnina]

look for legacy cases

I had received the letter from HO (Case Resolution Directorate)
from 6/11/2007 begins with words: " Thanks for your letter from 20may2003,accept an apology for a delay...... We advise you to leave the country, it is better for making up to... Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... " That is mean,my case has gone on a shelf...?
Unfortunately again.

I think you're part of the legacy case, try to get some proper advise from a solicitor, this is the way, yes, you can get help here but again a solicitor will do something, here you just get words, solicitor can get you status, may be the H/O is trying to get rid of you and me and everyone else who's here as a refugee, but you have to do your bit and fight for it, I had a letter from them stating that my case is still kind of pending, but again they asked me to leave voluntarily, wish you all the best

[Wanderer]

look for legacy cases

I had received the letter from HO (Case Resolution Directorate)
from 6/11/2007 begins with words: " Thanks for your letter from 20may2003,accept an apology for a delay...... We advise you to leave the country, it is better for making up to... Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... " That is mean,my case has gone on a shelf...?
Unfortunately again.

I think you're part of the legacy case, try to get some proper advise from a solicitor, this is the way, yes, you can get help here but again a solicitor will do something, here you just get words, solicitor can get you status, may be the H/O is trying to get rid of you and me and everyone else who's here as a refugee, but you have to do your bit and fight for it, I had a letter from them stating that my case is still kind of pending, but again they asked me to leave voluntarily, wish you all the best

But what is he a refugee from?

[Spartak]

But what is he a refugee from?

It`s no`t actual any more,because 99% refuse

[Spartak]

look for legacy cases

I think you're part of the legacy case, try to get some proper advise from a solicitor, this is the way, yes, you can get help here but again a solicitor will do something, here you just get words, solicitor can get you status, may be the H/O is trying to get rid of you and me and everyone else who's here as a refugee, but you have to do your bit and fight for it, I had a letter from them stating that my case is still kind of pending, but again they asked me to leave voluntarily, wish you all the best

salimnina thanks for the help, but my case has already " I had received the letter from HO (Case Resolution Directorate) from 6/11/2007 " considered.
Whether I asked advice it is possible to receive the status on the basis of long stay here or as the person without citizenship, but anybody here knows nothing or try say any amusing stories being played in the detective an essence nothing answering???

[Spartak]

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What country were you born in? Russia? Ukraine? Somewhere else?

I THINK The government cannot just declare you to be stateless. There has to be some reason/mechanism for you to obtain stateless status.

Which 'country' issued your birth certificate ?

the Admin

Thank YOU for the answer, you in many respects are right but... how still it is possible to tell, that it was clear: on a default you cannot become citizenship any country. I was born in the USSR.And I am no citizen of any country now.
"Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... "

[Wanderer]

But you DO have citizenship. You don't lose it by not changing a passport.

Can you tell us which country or former USSR republic you are from? Po-russkiy esli ty hochesh...

[Spartak]

But you DO have citizenship. You don't lose it by not changing a passport.

Can you tell us which country or former USSR republic you are from? Po-russkiy esli ty hochesh...

Yes, i was born in (Russia)USSR.
"Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... "
How I can say clear:IT IS THE LAW!

[Wanderer]

But you DO have citizenship. You don't lose it by not changing a passport.

Can you tell us which country or former USSR republic you are from? Po-russkiy esli ty hochesh...

Yes, i was born in (Russia)USSR.
"Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... "
How I can say clear:IT IS THE LAW!

I think that law was for those in the wrong republic at the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, example my gf's mum, Kazhakstan born but living in Russia.

For everyone else transfer of citizenship was automatic, but I will check with my gf's dad - he knows these things......

[Spartak]

But you DO have citizenship. You don't lose it by not changing a passport.
I think that law was for those in the wrong republic at the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, example my gf's mum, Kazhakstan born but living in Russia.

For everyone else transfer of citizenship was automatic, but I will check with my gf's dad - he knows these things......

Whether I asked advice it is possible to receive the status on the basis of long stay here or as the person without citizenship, but anybody here knows nothing or try say any amusing stories being played in the detective an essence nothing answering???

[Wanderer]

But you DO have citizenship. You don't lose it by not changing a passport.
I think that law was for those in the wrong republic at the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, example my gf's mum, Kazhakstan born but living in Russia.

For everyone else transfer of citizenship was automatic, but I will check with my gf's dad - he knows these things......

Whether I asked advice it is possible to receive the status on the basis of long stay here or as the person without citizenship, but anybody here knows nothing or try say any amusing stories being played in the detective an essence nothing answering???

Well if you don't give us the full story you can't blame us for asking or guessing.

No, anyway - long residence is 10 years legal stay, but if you've been refused this clock is most likely stopped or reset. Other than that it's 14 years any stay.

Claiming you are stateless or making yourself stateless is no basis for an asylum claim, especially cos you are a Russian citizen whether you like it or not.

[Wanderer]

Just to top this for the benefit of others, the OP is not listening anyway, I spoke to my friends in Russia and these are the points they make;

1. All Soviet Citizens residing in Russia at establishment of RF (Russian Federation) gained RF citizenship automatically.

2. Procedures where put in place for those born in RF but moved to different republics and visa-versa to formally gain RF citizenship.

3. Time was given to others wanting RF citizenship, presumably the 'time' being the 01/01/2008 deadline mentioned by the OP and therefore not applicable to him.

4. The only real 'proof' of RF citizenship is the domestic passport which is really more of an ID card. Russians need a 'travelling' passport to travel internationally.

5. The OP IS a Russian citizen since no-one in Russian Law can deprive him of that except himself by renouncing it.

So, in summary, unless the OP renounced his RF citizenship, or has not told us everything material to his situation, he is still a citizen of the Russian Federation.

If he has renounced his RF citizenship, and made himself stateless, I dunno what he can do, I doubt the HO will be sympathetic since that opens the doors to anyone doing the same...

Since the HO have refused his spurious asylum claim, I assume he would need to request his Russian passport from the Russian embassy to which he is entitled and go home.

I spent a lot of time on this for no audience!

Davai poka!

[gollywood]

Just to top this for the benefit of others, the OP is not listening anyway, I spoke to my friends in Russia and these are the points they make;

1. All Soviet Citizens residing in Russia at establishment of RF (Russian Federation) gained RF citizenship automatically.

2. Procedures where put in place for those born in RF but moved to different republics and visa-versa to formally gain RF citizenship.

3. Time was given to others wanting RF citizenship, presumably the 'time' being the 01/01/2008 deadline mentioned by the OP and therefore not applicable to him.

4. The only real 'proof' of RF citizenship is the domestic passport which is really more of an ID card. Russians need a 'travelling' passport to travel internationally.

5. The OP IS a Russian citizen since no-one in Russian Law can deprive him of that except himself by renouncing it.

So, in summary, unless the OP renounced his RF citizenship, or has not told us everything material to his situation, he is still a citizen of the Russian Federation.

If he has renounced his RF citizenship, and made himself stateless, I dunno what he can do, I doubt the HO will be sympathetic since that opens the doors to anyone doing the same...

Since the HO have refused his spurious asylum claim, I assume he would need to request his Russian passport from the Russian embassy to which he is entitled and go home.

I spent a lot of time on this for no audience!

Davai poka!

Great post - didnt fall on deaf ears.

Ive been a long time lurker - got lots of info from the likes of you and others. Only really needed to post a thread on here last month.

But I have noticed a trend where rather than looking for legit advice, many (up to know good - and boy do they know it), just want a quick-fix to situation that borders on illegality and deception -= and get angry when the 'quick-fix' is not forthcoming!

[ci07jjs]

Sounds like you are in a very similar position as Tom Hanks from the film Terminal.

[Spartak]

... presumably the 'time'

Thank YOU for your long tirade, but it:
1. Not on a theme.
2. Absolutely useless.
ОК, a simple question,I will speak silly language so you would understand me:
1. There is at me a Russian citizenship if I never ever had received, and did not asked it. (except for the USSR)????
2. Why the Russian Federation embassy already 5 times have given up to me in citizenship on the ground that they do not have such citizen (that naturally as I had never ever any Russian passport or citizenship)???
3. My USSR passport expired more then 10 year ago, ask the RF about Russian citizenship I can on the same bases what to ask about the Chinese citizenship ("Duma and Federation Council passed amendments to the law, extending the deadline for former ALL Soviet citizens to obtain Russian citizenship until 01/01/2008... "
4. As I can prove the Russian nonexistent citizenship???
5. If I know and is assured that never received and had no Russian Federation citizenship why You are assured that you know is better that I did and what was not present???