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You are really overthinking. The proof of accommodation was not required and will probably not even be looked at.
Thanks for your response.
The documents you need to provide with your application are listed on the cover sheet for the application. I don't understand why you have included all these extra documents. They have nothing to do with proving your eligibility for a Tier 4 visa.fsdpk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:50 pmSimilarly, I have provided documentation (e.g. sale deed of a property I sold as an evidence of source of funds, and ownership documents along with translation and original of rent agreement as I receive rent from the house) to demonstrate how my family i.e. spouse and kids will be financially survive in my home country as they are not going with me to the UK.
You are absolutely right that the mandatory docs are the only ones that need to be supplied, however there was a reason to be so cautious about providing as many docs as possible. Because, despite the fact that I have a really good and clean travel history of UK (both visit visas and a tier 4 visa recently in 2013), I was refused entry clearance for a visit visa in 2016 for insignificant reasons.sah10406 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:00 pmThe documents you need to provide with your application are listed on the cover sheet for the application. I don't understand why you have included all these extra documents. They have nothing to do with proving your eligibility for a Tier 4 visa.fsdpk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:50 pmSimilarly, I have provided documentation (e.g. sale deed of a property I sold as an evidence of source of funds, and ownership documents along with translation and original of rent agreement as I receive rent from the house) to demonstrate how my family i.e. spouse and kids will be financially survive in my home country as they are not going with me to the UK.
Mostly I would be worried it delays the processing, but also it could trigger a heavy hand with credibility checks.
I agree to your points regarding potential problems that may arise due to heavy documentation. Though, in my case I have just submitted four additional documents, I hope that they will work in my favor. Now let's see what happens when I receive the outcome of the application.sah10406 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:32 pmMostly I would be worried it delays the processing, but also it could trigger a heavy hand with credibility checks.
An ECO may well move a very fat file towards the bottom of the pile. I know I would!
More pertinently, any document submitted with an application needs to be verified for authenticity whether it is relevant or not. If any document is not genuine, or is suspected to be not genuine, it could cause a refusal, despite being irrelevant to what the ECO is actually evaluating.
An application that appears to have taken an "everything but the Spam sink approach" may cause the ECO to suspect the applicant is trying to use distraction from weaknesses in the relevant evidence.
Demonstrating that you are not familiar with the actual requirements of the category of visa you are applying for is never a "good look".
All of the above could potentially be triggers for the ECO to question the student's credibility, and that is a value judgment, not measured against specific criteria in the rules.
I don't think it is useful (or possible, or legal) for me to offer one to one advice on your specific application, especially as you have already submitted it.fsdpk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:11 pmWhat are the positive aspects you can point out in my situation? Do you think it may result in a straightaway refusal, a second credibility interview, or anything else?
I understand that being worried about what has happened is not helpful in anyway, but what can be done next is really useful.
Here I would like to refer to your statement "additional documents e.g. accommodation proof may not even be looked at". I mean if my supplied docs are not relevant will the VO not ignore them. I understand you have advised that this more about "value judgement" not about published rules and regulation.
OK, and what are your your views on this:sah10406 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:55 amI don't think it is useful (or possible, or legal) for me to offer one to one advice on your specific application, especially as you have already submitted it.fsdpk wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:11 pmWhat are the positive aspects you can point out in my situation? Do you think it may result in a straightaway refusal, a second credibility interview, or anything else?
I understand that being worried about what has happened is not helpful in anyway, but what can be done next is really useful.
Here I would like to refer to your statement "additional documents e.g. accommodation proof may not even be looked at". I mean if my supplied docs are not relevant will the VO not ignore them. I understand you have advised that this more about "value judgement" not about published rules and regulation.
I'm not sure what you mean by "my views". They are examples of things an ECO might possibly want to ask a specific applicant about at a credibility interview. I think they are reasonable questions.
Well, as you pointed out that providing additional documents e.g. dependents financial circumstances in home country etc. can be perceived by VO as distractions from main/core aspects/considerations of the application.
I disagree.fsdpk wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:38 pmMy argument, in the light of above information, is that is it not a good idea to provide them such information upfront before they actually raise the question and request it which may potentially delay the application process. In other words, providing relevant info in advance should not be viewed as a negative practice.
So, I just wanted to know what you think about this.
The system is not entirely objective and there are so many facets to an application that being/staying objective becomes almost impossible, even sometimes subjectivity becomes so dominant in the decision making that no objective assessment takes place at all.sah10406 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:32 pm
I disagree.
As well as my concerns about individual applications, more generally I worry about the future expectations such practice could raise in ECOs. And if everyone front-loaded their application with additional evidence to support (if requested) any answer they may possibly and theoretically be asked at a credibility interview, but may well not be, the system would become so unwieldy and subjective.
Less is more.
As you probably expect, I strongly disagree. I never said the visa application system was entirely objective, but it is mostly so, except for credibility. My hope it that it stays that way.
Yes, I agree! as the most appropriate entity/authority is the sponsor because they have relevant expertise and knowledge to determine the suitability of the applicant.sah10406 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:56 pm
As you probably expect, I strongly disagree. I never said the visa application system was entirely objective, but it is mostly so, except for credibility. My hope it that it stays that way.
Almost all the other subjective or value judgments in the mix are outsourced to the Tier 4 sponsor, which is quite right.