English Language Requirements for HSMP

[ulm]

Hi,

I have done B.E(Electrical) from NED University of Engineering & Technology, Karachi, Pakistan in the year 2003 and M.Sc Communications Technology form University of Ulm, Germany in the year 2007.

Both of these degrees were taught in english. I have got letter from both universities that medium of instruction was english.

I also have letter of compatibility from NARIC.

I gave IELTS (academic) and Toefl (CBT) in the year 2004 and got 6.5 in IELTS and 240 in Toefl. This was required to get admission in the M.Sc Communications Technology course of university of ulm.

I am a Pakistani national working in Germany.

I have 75 points and want to apply fopr HSMP in July from Germany.

The only confusion I have in my mind is about english language requirement. For me rules about english language are not that clear.

In HSMP guidlines, it is written that one can meet the english language requirement if he has a Bachelor degree according to UK standards that was taught in english. Then he has to show the letter from

university that the degree was taught in english.

But at the same time in the HSMP caseworker guidance notes, it is written that

Where the NARIC database indicates that a Bachelor degree presented as evidence in this category does not meet the HSMP English language requirement, the application should be refused on these grounds.

Now how can the applicant know before applying that his bachelors degree in NARIC database meets the HSMP english languge requirements.

Your help in removing this confusion will be highly appreciated as it will not only save time but also expenses.

[CoolestGuyC]

Now how can the applicant know before applying that his bachelors degree in NARIC database meets the HSMP english languge requirements.

Through helpful forums like these, or through friends !!! If you can't find out that your Bachelor's degree satisfies English language requirements, you have no other choice other than to apply for NARIC letter.

I also have letter of compatibility from NARIC.

If this letter is there for your Bachelor's degree then you have no cause of worry.

I have 75 points and want to apply fopr HSMP in July from Germany.

You might want to hurry though, as Tier 1 Visa would be applied worldwide from 30th June.
But on the other hand, if you are applying for Tier 1, you don't need a NARIC letter(nor letter from your university), if your degree is recognized by BIA points calculator.

[CoolestGuyC]

Now how can the applicant know before applying that his bachelors degree in NARIC database meets the HSMP english languge requirements.

You can also check BIA points calculator right now to check if your degrees satisfy English language requirements. This calculator lists all the degrees which are recognized by NARIC to have specified level of English requirements.
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/pointscalculator

[ulm]

Hi,

Many thanks for the reply.

Yes I have letter of compatibility from NARIC for my B.E degree as well as M.Sc degree.

I checked in this BIA calculator for Tier1, I can claim 35 points for my M.Sc degree but in english langugae section, my universities are not in the list.

So it means that my bachelors degree cannot meet the english language requirement for Tier1 GHSM but still I dont know whether this calculator is also valid for the english language requirements of HSMP

[ulm]

Quote:

You might want to hurry though, as Tier 1 Visa would be applied worldwide from 30th June.


Is there any official source for the above statement.

[CoolestGuyC]

Is there any official source for the above statement.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=27709

Hi,

Many thanks for the reply.

Yes I have letter of compatibility from NARIC for my B.E degree as well as M.Sc degree.

I checked in this BIA calculator for Tier1, I can claim 35 points for my M.Sc degree but in english langugae section, my universities are not in the list.

So it means that my bachelors degree cannot meet the english language requirement for Tier1 GHSM but still I dont know whether this calculator is also valid for the english language requirements of HSMP.

Regarding HSMP, I am not sure I have any knowledge (whether your letter of comparison from NARIC would work or not).

Relevant Tier 1 rules can be found in Tier 1 main guidance notes.

183. Points can be claimed where the Self Assessment Tool
confirms that:
• The degree meets or exceeds the equivalent UK level
academic qualification; and
• the degree was taught to a competent standard
of English equivalent to level C1 on the Council of
Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for
Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).
Checking qualifications


184. Applicants should check their qualification by referring to
the Self Assessment Tool which can be found at www.bia.
homeoffice.gov.uk.


185. Where the applicant is unable to find details of their
qualification on the Self Assessment Tool, they may still
wish to claim points for the qualification in question. In
these circumstances applicants should contact UK NARIC
directly for an assessment of their qualification and, where
their qualification is found to meet the above requirements,
obtain a letter or confirmation certificate from UK NARIC.
Contact details for UK NARIC can be found on the following
website at www.naric.org.uk. Please note that there may
be a charge for this service.


186. Where UK NARIC is unable to confirm these details, points
will not be awarded for the qualification in question. In
such cases, applicants may wish to consider presenting an
alternative qualification if they possess one.

[geriatrix]

If you have a letter of compatability from NARIC confirming that your bachelor's degree is equivalent to UK bachelor's standards *and* you have a letter from your University / Insititute confirming that the course was taught in English, then you are good to go.

Unfortunately, you cannot use the IELTS test report since it is more than 2 years old (an HSMP requirement that IELTS result should not be more than 2 years old).

regards

[ulm]

If you have a letter of compatability from NARIC confirming that your bachelor's degree is equivalent to UK bachelor's standards
*and* you have a letter from your University / Insititute confirming that the course was taught in English, then you are good to go.

Unfortunately, you cannot use the IELTS test report since it is more than 2 years old (an HSMP requirement that IELTS result should not be more than 2 years old).

regards

Many thanks for the reply.

After reading the HSMP guideline, I also agree with you.

But its the HSMP caseworker guidance that creates the confusion with the following statement.

Where the NARIC database indicates that a Bachelor degree presented as evidence in this category does not meet the HSMP English language requirement, the application should be refused on these grounds

And now I think there is one more problem whether Tier1 GHSM will start after 30th June from Germany. If yes then the english language requirements are more stringent. and I cannot apply to HSMP before 30th June 2008 because my documentation is not complete.

Anyway Thanks to all who replied to this thread.

And Thanks in advance to those who will reply and give me suggestions

[thaman]

Hi any one knows what's the reference number on an IELTS test report? i eman the test report form number is too big to in the main application form...

[vladislav.jankovych]

I have received Letter of comparison from UK NARIC. And it said: Magister Degree is considered comparable to British Bachelor (Honours) degree standard.
In Czech Republic we have:
- bakalarske studium (Bc.)
- magisterske studium (Mgr.)
- doktorske studium (PhD.)

I completed Mgr. (Magister Degree) studium and it mean I have Bachelor's Degree in theUK .

[ra_njan]

Hi Thaman,
I hv given the enrolment no of the IELTS report. I believe that would be unique ID for me in the IELTS system.

[aaanjoo]

Hello ulm,
My suggestion would be to give IELTS asap if your university is not coming in English language requirement tool page though you might find your university in Qualification page (if JR has nothing to do with your case). Book a test and by the time the caseworker will get to your application you will have your IELTS result ready for faxing it to HO. I have seen a friend's application who didnt get points in english language req for some reasons and after 30 days of applying the application, the caseworker email my friend and ask him if he has anything else to submit for english language requirement, just fax it urgently as his application is uptil now successfull and with this english requirement the application could either make or break.

If you have a letter of compatability from NARIC confirming that your bachelor's degree is equivalent to UK bachelor's standards
*and* you have a letter from your University / Insititute confirming that the course was taught in English, then you are good to go.

Unfortunately, you cannot use the IELTS test report since it is more than 2 years old (an HSMP requirement that IELTS result should not be more than 2 years old).

regards

Many thanks for the reply.

After reading the HSMP guideline, I also agree with you.

But its the HSMP caseworker guidance that creates the confusion with the following statement.

Where the NARIC database indicates that a Bachelor degree presented as evidence in this category does not meet the HSMP English language requirement, the application should be refused on these grounds

And now I think there is one more problem whether Tier1 GHSM will start after 30th June from Germany. If yes then the english language requirements are more stringent. and I cannot apply to HSMP before 30th June 2008 because my documentation is not complete.

Anyway Thanks to all who replied to this thread.

And Thanks in advance to those who will reply and give me suggestions