walrusgumble wrote:First-Class Moron wrote:walrusgumble wrote:astartes wrote:
What nonsense. The chauvinistic and discriminatory procedures created by Ireland are in clear violation of EU law.
So Ireland thinks that the EU is there just to give them unearned money ?
Where do you think that money comes from ?
Hint: from the taxes paid by other EU citizens, whose families and spouses are abused by the Irish state. Those people have better things to do in life than to be reduced to the status of slaves for some incompetent Irish chauvinist, whose undeserved prosperity they have been and are funding through taxes on their work.
4 million Irish people keep imagining that they can insult and exploit 500 million Europeans -- for the most part much better educated and competent than them --- while stealing their money. The Irish government and population need an urgent attitude adjustment. Many in the EU will be quite happy to remind Ireland where that easy money comes from, and how little economic, technological and scientific achievement that country actually has. The collapse of the Irish stock market and housing bubbles is only the beginning of that much needed attitude adjustment.
next time you rant that, stop and think. The European Union was created for European citizens. european law priorities with EU citizens first. The rights of non EU citizens are completely seperate and different to those of a European citizen. ie they have no automatic 100% right or entitlement to be in a European State, provided they comply wit host state's immigration rules. Any NGO immigration advice board will tell you this. If you feel so strong about it ring up the british, german and frrench departments and see how easy it is for non european citizens to reside their. check out
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 55436.html and see how the italians are doing things
Of course Ireland is going to act in the way it does when previous European Court case law has given them the green light. It would be worth remembering that countries such as Italy, Britian and Germany are backing Ireland with regard to the Regulation 3.2
as for the european thing, what's your point. you a citizen of Europe? you pay taxes? you seem to neglect the fact that the european monies going to states such as lativa, poland, czech rep etc will also come from tax payers from Ireland. Irish Taxes payers have and continue to contribute.
The self righteous nonsense you going on about, it might be worth your while to note that many in Ireland resent the fact that Brussels tells it where and how much it can fish despite beign in Irish waters. see how much fish the spanish collect in irish waters?
you would also do well to consider how many American Industries set up European HQ here in Ireland in the 1990's, as oppose to European companies.
If you feel that its undeserved prosperity, then why the hell did you come to this country? i understand your frustrated, but it would be advisable for your own sake to keep those dearly beloved self righteous nonsense firmly within this site.(no its not a threat etc just simple advice)
LOOK IF YOU SIGN UP TO A DIRECTIVE, THEN YOU MUST ADHERE TO IT PERIOD, YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT PARTS OF THE DIRECTIVE YOU WANT STICK TO, IRELAND IS NOT A BANANA REPUBLIC AND LIKES TO PRIDE ITSELF AS A CIVILISED COUNTRY. FAIR IS FAIR AND PEOPLE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT NO CONDITION IS PERMANENT, WALRUSGUMBLE YOUR FUTURE GRANKIDS OR GREAT GRAND KIDS (NOT BEING OFFENSIVE, JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT) MIGHT END UP BEING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO BE TREATED? NO NEED FOR UNDUE CONFRONTATION, I JUST THINK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, EU CITIZENS ARE HUMAN AND MUST BE TREATED IN A HUMANE MANNER
i understand and respect what you are saying, sure i know a couple of my uncles 's status years ago in australia was a bit dodgy. one of them married a women we without any doubt in our minds believed it to be a sham. i aint trying to be confrontational, but i would tolerate someoen who is quiete clearlyy making dearly beloved, unfounded, inaccurate and generalised remarks about a country with if they were any other site, the moderator would have deleted or banned the poster.
i am sorry for being blunt but i am simply explaining the huge holes and difficulties in what many are saying, alas based on errors and unfounded assertions. rules and laws are there to ensure human rights and access to proper facilitites for eu citizens. as for this illegal immigration to be treat as human beoings, yes they should and rightly so, be entitled to fair procedures etc but that is where it ends. the laws of europe are there for europeans and their family members to enjoy.
can i ask one question?
For the eu spouse that is married to an non eu national, and they are having problems with residency in this state, what is the stroy and how are you treated by your countries if the couple return to the state where the eu spouse is from? would non eu spouse be allowed to legally reside there?
(note of course eu spouse is entitled to travel whereever they like in eu)
ireland are not the only country in the eu trying to deal (miserably) with illegal immigrants, but the eu is not an open door to the world (something even eu people think it is i.e. one needs to ensure they are working if they wish to say in eu for more than 3 months)
Read directive 2004/38 EC again, and if need be again and if the english language is not your thing check it out in german and french. the language in the provisions can be interpreted to deal with family who have being established BEFORE the eu citizen has moved to the host state. the non eu citizen is to "accompany" them and or "join" them in the hsot state - an issue raised by Hanna J in Kumar 2007.
http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/doc_ce ... nce_en.pdf[/quote
Debate is good but we all need to keep cool heads. I dont think beloved has anything to do with it, i just think that most staff at the EU treaty, GNIB and DOJ are really confused about interpretation of the directives and clueless on what the real immigration policy is. The politicians who were pushing for a yes vote on Lisbon treaty aint even got a clue as to what the treaty is all about. peace and good luck to everybody
