Traveling with a Certificate of Naturalization

[trolotron]

I am scheduled to go on a trip in January 2024. I recently attended the naturalization ceremony in October, and my Irish Residence Permit (IRP) is set to expire in December of this year. Since it's unlikely that I'll have my Irish passport by January 2024, I have a question: Can I travel using my non-Irish passport and present my Certificate of Naturalization as an alternative to my expiring IRP?

Of course, I could apply for a new IRP, but I am looking for ways to potentially save 300 EUR.

[Vadrar]

Your certificate will be grand for entry at Irish immigration into the RoI. The question will be about boarding your return flight. If you are a visa required national your airline is unlikely to recognise a naturalisation certificate- they may, but also may not. It will depend on where you are departing from, your original passport and the airline. Ryanair from UK might recognise it - other options very uncertain.

[meself2]

Ryanair from UK might recognise it - other options very uncertain.

If OP is a visa required national for Ireland, chances that they need a visa to UK are extremely high.

For OP, that's a big risk you just won't be able to return - airlines may not be familiar with certificate and will most likely not to take the risk, as it's not an acceptable travel document.

You can try to get a re-entry visa, as (technically) you don't need IRP as an Irish citizen.

[meself2]

See this for re entry visa - ireland/travel-under-emergency-circumst ... 28353.html and ireland/travelling-back-to-ireland-irp- ... l#p2044798

[Vadrar]

Ryanair from UK might recognise it - other options very uncertain.

If OP is a visa required national for Ireland, chances that they need a visa to UK are extremely high.

For OP, that's a big risk you just won't be able to return - airlines may not be familiar with certificate and will most likely not to take the risk, as it's not an acceptable travel document.

You can try to get a re-entry visa, as (technically) you don't need IRP as an Irish citizen.

The risk is the point of my post.

I’m assuming they have a visa (if needed) for their destination - their post is asking about renewing an IRP which is only relevant for a trip into RoI, it isn’t relevant for any outbound trip- including UK. So I presume they are asking about RoI entry only.

Ryanair on the route from UK to Ireland have a (potted - not certain) history of recognising Irish naturalisation certificate - it’s an example of an airline and a route that might allow boarding to ROI on the cert and to illustrate how specific the options for using the cert are.

[trolotron]

Thank you all for the replies; it's greatly appreciated. I shared the same concern. I don't believe the Irish border police would have any issues with using the certificate, but airlines, on the other hand, could potentially pose a problem. I don't want to risk my trip, so I've decided to renew my IRP. It's a shame that 300 EUR has gone to waste – what a rip-off!

[AlmostIrish_111]

Thank you all for the replies; it's greatly appreciated. I shared the same concern. I don't believe the Irish border police would have any issues with using the certificate, but airlines, on the other hand, could potentially pose a problem. I don't want to risk my trip, so I've decided to renew my IRP. It's a shame that 300 EUR has gone to waste – what a rip-off!

I assume you are applying for a Stamp 6 (https://www.irishimmigration.ie/my-situ ... tizenship/) so it wouldn't be a total money waster.

With the stamp 6 you should be able travel as an Irish citizen, even if you are using your home country passport.

[meself2]

With the stamp 6 you should be able travel as an Irish citizen, even if you are using your home country passport.

Unfortunately, no.
I don't think you get an IRP with Stamp 6. I even checked ISD online renewal site - you can't choose Stamp 6 as a type of stamp you want.
It's basically a rubber stamp in your passport; airlines will just not let you on your flight with it.

See post2127024.html#p2127024 (and specifically post2090027.html#p2090027 )

[AlmostIrish_111]

You need to contact DRPCustomerservice@justice.ie for Stamp 5 and 6, it is not directly through the website.

I checked with them when renewing my visa and that is the answer that I got.

Why wouldn't airlines let you in? You have a valid passport and a valid visa.

[meself2]

You need to contact DRPCustomerservice@justice.ie for Stamp 5 and 6, it is not directly through the website.

Yes, but as it doesn't provide IRP, I have huge doubts a visa national for Ireland will be let on a plane with this stamp.

[AlmostIrish_111]

You need to contact DRPCustomerservice@justice.ie for Stamp 5 and 6, it is not directly through the website.

Yes, but as it doesn't provide IRP, I have huge doubts a visa national for Ireland will be let on a plane with this stamp.

It is valid to send an email to the airline you normally fly with and check if they accept, and with the email response you have something to show in case any check-in agent gives you grief.

At least that would be, or will be my approach, once I have a naturalisation certificate.

[littlerr]

Stamp 6 is not a visa. It’s a stamp in the passport that is not recognised by airlines. The correct process would be to first apply for a Stamp 6, and then apply for a Re-entry visa, both of which are free. You have plenty of time to do both if your trip is in January.

Do not apply for a new IRP card. You have already attended the naturalisation ceremony. You cannot be issued a new IRP card.

[input-output]

Stamp 6 is not a visa. It’s a stamp in the passport that is not recognised by airlines. The correct process would be to first apply for a Stamp 6, and then apply for a Re-entry visa, both of which are free.

Can you direct me to confirm free isuance of the re-entry visa for Stnap 6 holders? Last time a bureacrat wanted to charge me a hundred or so Euros and I gave up.

Thanks

[Vadrar]

Stamp 6 is not a visa. It’s a stamp in the passport that is not recognised by airlines. The correct process would be to first apply for a Stamp 6, and then apply for a Re-entry visa, both of which are free.

Can you direct me to confirm free isuance of the re-entry visa for Stnap 6 holders? Last time a bureacrat wanted to charge me a hundred or so Euros and I gave up.

Thanks

A google search returns this: https://www.irishimmigration.ie/my-situ ... tizenship/

[input-output]

A google search returns this: https://www.irishimmigration.ie/my-situ ... tizenship/

Thanks! However, my original question still stands - the page says about the free stamp but not the re-entry visa being issued free of charge. I would not want to haggle with airline trying to prove that a stamp in the absence of re-entry visa is sufficient.

[meself2]

I would not want to haggle with airline trying to prove that a stamp in the absence of re-entry visa is sufficient.

It really isn't.

There's no clear statement about re-entry visas being free or even them being present that I could find - best we have is a PQ with re entry visa forms (wild, I know).
Technically, family members of Irish citizens are exempt from visa fee, which could be attempted to be used as an argument, but I don't know.
Why can't you apply for a passport? You need to apply for a reentry visa every single time.