Kids born in india but 10 years continuous stay - mother is ILR on 10 years route, father is british passport 10yrs rout

[testingksty2010]

My wife is ILR now (setILR from 2014 to 2024)
Myself (father) - british passprt (arrived on 2010, set ILR in 2021 , british passport - 2022)
Mother -
younger son - british citizen(born in india, got passport in 2022)
children - arrival date sep 3 2014. completing 10 years on sep 3 2024
age - under 18 (one is 2007 and another 2014)
staying since 2014 without break
application of MN1 for 2 children - sep 4 2024
wife - applicaiton for naturalisation on sep 4 2024

Immigraiton hisotry for 2 children :
1. 2014 to 08032015 - TIER2 ICT Long Term Staff partner (arrived Uk on 3rd sep 2014)
2. 09032015 to 08032016 - PBS dependent leave to remain
3. 09032016 to 20022018 - PBS dependent leave to remain
4. 21022018 to 08032019 - PBS dependent leave to remain
5. 19052021 to 19112023 - Spouse partner Leave to Remain
6. 08/11/2023 - 6th June 2026 - Spouse/partner leave to remain. currently she is in UK



1. shall i go ahead naturalization application for my wife and 2 children (though they born in india and not ILR, but staying in UK since sep 3 2014) on the basis below
a) children staying 10 years
b) section 6.6 https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark55
c) mother is ilr and applying citizenship for naturalization , father is british citizen, younger brother is brit

2. do i need to put 3 separate applications for all 3 - children MN1 and mother naturalization for British
or shall i add in mothers application

3. kindly share the links for MN1 for children
Kindly share the link for naturalization application for my wife

[zimba]

Your wife must apply to naturalise using from AN1: https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... onality-an
Then you must apply to register each child separately using form MN1: https://visas-immigration.service.gov.uk/product/mn1

Note that children do NOT naturalise, they get registered. Adults must apply to naturalise. Each application will be separate.

[vinny]

It may be possible to add under 18-year old children to a parent’s AN online form?

[testingksty2010]

Thanks, i refer to the link you shared

1. Start AN1 for my wife
2. at the add 2 children
3. Then the application automatically adjust to MN1 questionnaire so that i can complete children application questionnaire of mn1
basically single applicaiton AN1+child 1Mn1+child2 Mn1 in the Single application and payment accordingly

the main reason to add is it will give weightage as its all applications together rather
AN1, Mn1 child 1, Mn1 child 2 separate application

[contorted_svy]

Yes you can do that but each application will be assessed separately regardless. It won't give more weight if applications are all submitted together.

[zimba]

It may be possible to add under 18-year old children to a parent’s AN online form?

When did this become possible ? Still seem to generate separate applications

[testingksty2010]

surprising to see this question and confusion whether i can go ahead or not

is it possible this approach or not

1. An for mother, after filling her all details,
2. at the end of the application add dependents under 18, then system should adjust mn1 for children 1 and mn1 for child 2 questionnaires after mother?

is it right approach of submitting (AN for mother, adding 2 dependents in same application)

i shouldn't end up in wrong application/approach, kindly reply please?

[contorted_svy]

Yes, what you outline is possible. They will still be considered as 3 separate applications and under different timelines, but you can submit them in bulk.

[testingksty2010]

Thanks
i have started my wife AN application and added 2 children, but as soon as i added under 18 children, the title it came is 'Register child as British citizen'
ideally it should come as MN1 right, please clarity. Iam bit confused
shall i got AN + adding dependants or AN and fresh Mn1 and fresh Mn2

2. another query
Immigraiton hisotry for my family is below
1. 2014 to 08032015 - TIER2 ICT Long Term Staff partner (arrived Uk on 3rd sep 2014)
2. 09032015 to 08032016 - PBS dependent leave to remain
3. 09032016 to 20022018 - PBS dependent leave to remain
4. 21022018 to 08032019 - PBS dependent leave to remain
5. 19052021 to 19112023 - Spouse partner Leave to Remain
6. 08/11/2023 - 6th June 2026 - Spouse/partner leave to remain. currently she is in UK

Days out of UK
Out from uk Back to uk
24/09/2011 09/12/2011
23/06/2012 06/08/2012
02/07/2013 03/09/2014
13/06/2015 03/10/2015
28/07/2016 10/10/2016
05/07/2017 6/9/2017
13/07/2019 23/09/2019
04/08/2022 12/09/2022
9/2/2024 9/3/2024


I got ILR in 2020 dec, family moved to spouse partenr visa in 2021.
i got passport in 2022, at that time ,my wife in spouse partner leave to remain (2021 to 2023)

so does this rule applicable for me

1. Applying for naturalization on the grounds of marrying british citizen should be PRESENT in UK exact 1day before 3 years ago from the date of submitting. example 3rd sep 2021 be in UK when i submit 4th sep 2024 application

OR
5 years ago day 1 on the day of submitting applcaiton eg: 3rd sep 2019 be in uk when i submit 4th sep 2024 application

based on above immigraiton history and date of my husbnad british citizen, which rule applicable for me for day 1 of 3 years ago or day 1 5 years ago should bein uk

[contorted_svy]

Thanks
i have started my wife AN application and added 2 children, but as soon as i added under 18 children, the title it came is 'Register child as British citizen' That means the form is adapting to MN1.
ideally it should come as MN1 right, please clarity. Iam bit confused
shall i got AN + adding dependants or AN and fresh Mn1 and fresh Mn2

2. another query
Immigraiton hisotry for my family is below
1. 2014 to 08032015 - TIER2 ICT Long Term Staff partner (arrived Uk on 3rd sep 2014)
2. 09032015 to 08032016 - PBS dependent leave to remain
3. 09032016 to 20022018 - PBS dependent leave to remain
4. 21022018 to 08032019 - PBS dependent leave to remain
5. 19052021 to 19112023 - Spouse partner Leave to Remain
6. 08/11/2023 - 6th June 2026 - Spouse/partner leave to remain. currently she is in UK Do you mean Indefinite leave to remain? She needs ILR to apply. Was it obtained, and if so when?

Days out of UK
Out from uk Back to uk
24/09/2011 09/12/2011
23/06/2012 06/08/2012
02/07/2013 03/09/2014
13/06/2015 03/10/2015
28/07/2016 10/10/2016
05/07/2017 6/9/2017
13/07/2019 23/09/2019
04/08/2022 12/09/2022
9/2/2024 9/3/2024


I got ILR in 2020 dec, family moved to spouse partenr visa in 2021.
i got passport in 2022, at that time ,my wife in spouse partner leave to remain (2021 to 2023)

so does this rule applicable for me

1. Applying for naturalization on the grounds of marrying british citizen should be PRESENT in UK exact 1day before 3 years ago from the date of submitting. example 3rd sep 2021 be in UK when i submit 4th sep 2024 application

OR
5 years ago day 1 on the day of submitting applcaiton eg: 3rd sep 2019 be in uk when i submit 4th sep 2024 application

based on above immigraiton history and date of my husbnad british citizen, which rule applicable for me for day 1 of 3 years ago or day 1 5 years ago should bein uk That depends if you want to apply in your own right (5 years, wait for 1 year after ILR) or as spouse of British citizen (3 years, no need to wait after ILR)

[testingksty2010]

Thankyou

1. She has obtained ILR already on 14th aug 2024 (10 years route). Kids also follows same immigration history but am applying MN1 for them directly along with my wife AN. i got ILR in 2020 and British passport in 2022

2.spouse of a british citizen rule -
i got passport in 2022 where she was pbs dependent visa (appendix fm)
she got ilr in 2024 on long residence
am applying now AN for her without waiting one more year

, it means that whether she fall in cateogry of 3 years exact day 1 she should present in UK
i just should check sep 3 2021 should be in UK, if i apply sep 4 2024 the application of AN

am i correct sir

[contorted_svy]

Based on the absence history you provided she can apply any day now, as she wasn't absent in aug/sept 2021. Section 6(2) (spose of a British citizen) will apply to her.

[testingksty2010]

Thankyou

unfortunately my 2nd child away from india on 27th aug 2021 till 26 sep 2021.
so i should file her MN1 registration application SEPARATELY away from mother AN after 26th sep 2024.

immigration history is below of my 2nd child
1. 31072014 to 08032015 - TIER2 ICT Long Term Staff partner (arrived Uk on 3rd sep 2014)
2. 09032015 to 08032016 - PBS dependent leave to remain
3. 09032016 to 20022018 - PBS dependent leave to remain
4. 21022018 to 08032019 - PBS dependent leave to remain
5. 19052021 to 19112023 - Dependent visa Leave to Remain
6. 08112023 to 06062026 - Dependent visa leave to remain.

Outside of UK - my 2nd child travel history

13/06/2015 - 03/10/2015 - 112 days
28/07/2016 - 10/10/2016 - 74 days
05/07/2017 - 06/9/2017 - 63 days
13/07/2019 - 23/09/2019 - 72 days
27/08/2021 - 26/09/2021 - 29 days
04/08/2022 - 12/09/2022 - 39 days
09/02/2024 - 09/03/2024 - 29 days

as per above table unfortunately my 2nd child away from India on 27th Aug. 2021 till 26 Sep 2021.
so i should file her MN1 registration application after 26th Sep 2024 separately.

my wife (currently she is ILR) and child 1 were not absent in 2021 .
Child 1 born in India in 2007(17+ now) , continuously staying till now in UK, breaks less than 540 over 10 years and less than 270 days last 3 years. Child 1 and my wife Came uk on 3/9/14
not applied ILR yet for her. Only my wife ILR
1) File the AN application on Sep 4'2024 - (because kid has to complete 10 years as per rule
i can put AN for my wife ,
2) Add dependent of under 18 of child 1 after Mother application. pay fee for 2 applications and submit
wait until Sep 27th 2024.
3) After Sep 27th 2024 (because 2nd child was in India from 27/08/21 - 26/09/21)
File separate MN1 for my child 2 application

Kindly clarify

[CR001]

There is NO requirement for a child to be present at the start of the qualifying period.

It is ONLY a requirement for adults!!

[testingksty2010]

Many thanks, if you could share the link to support your statement please
this is just for my confidence. Thanks agai

[contorted_svy]

It is all stated on the MN1 guidance.

[testingksty2010]

Thankyou

We married in dec, 2005,
baby boryn(applicant) in May 2007, i got ilr in 2020 and passport in 2022
now applying AN for wife + adding under 18 kid

i got one questions

Was your biological mother married at your time of birth?

ans : answer to the above question is Yes, is it correct? because baby born in may 2007 and applicants dad(myself) and mom (my wife)marriage is on dec - 2005.
Name of biological mother's partner at the time of your birth - i have written my name

kindly clarfy is above my understanding correct

[AmazonianX]

Thankyou

We married in dec, 2005,
baby boryn(applicant) in May 2007, i got ilr in 2020 and passport in 2022
now applying AN for wife + adding under 18 kid

i got one questions

Was your biological mother married at your time of birth?

ans : answer to the above question is Yes, is it correct? because baby born in may 2007 and applicants dad(myself) and mom (my wife)marriage is on dec - 2005.
Name of biological mother's partner at the time of your birth - i have written my name

kindly clarfy is above my understanding correct

Your understanding and responses are correct

[testingksty2010]

1. My wife is ILR now
Shall I apply AN for my wife and can add 2 dependents(as they are under 18) to her in the same application. i guess application/system would adjust to Mn1 questionnaire. are you sure HO - CW doesn't reject if i add 2 dependents with my wife AN?

2)Children not completed ILR, its just wife received ILR.
Children just completing 10 years by sep 3 2024. Currently they are in Spouse/partner leave to remain and visa valid till 2026

will it be a risk directly REGISTERING MN1 without ILR for kids ?

3. regarding the 2 referrals,
- 1 i have is friend , who is IT company owner , British citizen since 3 years residing in same address
2. and another is also IT director of a company, does it ok 2 IT resources
or do I need to get search for some other referee?

[contorted_svy]

That seems OK, they can both have an IT background.

[testingksty2010]

Thanks

My wife is ILR now
Shall I apply AN for my wife and can add 2 dependents(as they are under 18) to her in the same application. i guess application/system would adjust to Mn1 questionnaire.

1) re you sure HO - CW doesn't reject if i add 2 dependents for their registration with my wife AN?

2)Children not completed ILR, its just wife received ILR.
Children just completing 10 years by sep 3 2024. Currently they are in Spouse/partner leave to remain and visa valid till 2026


Positive note is Am british cutizen, wife is ILR and applying AN, younger son is british citizen.. staying in uk 10yrs

will it be a risk directly REGISTERING MN1 without ILR for kids ?

[contorted_svy]

I think for children born abroad they need ILR before applying for registration.

[zimba]

I think for children born abroad they need ILR before applying for registration.

Section 6.6 may allow it without ILR.

[testingksty2010]

yes,

below links supports the same

If 6.6 Children who have lived in the UK for more than 10 years
is satisfiable, then registering under Section 3(1) is possible. i guess can be done as they not crossed 18

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark55
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... n-form-mn1


My wife is ILR now
Shall I apply AN for my wife and can add 2 dependents(as they are under 18) to her in the same application. i guess application/system would adjust to Mn1 questionnaire.

1) re you sure HO - CW doesn't reject if i add 2 dependents for their registration with my wife AN?

2)Children not completed ILR, its just wife received ILR.
Children just completing 10 years by sep 3 2024. Currently they are in Spouse/partner leave to remain and visa valid till 2026

If 6.6 Children who have lived in the UK for more than 10 years
is satisfiable, then registering under Section 3(1) is possible. i guess can be done as they not c
Positive note is Am british cutizen, wife is ILR and applying AN, younger son is british citizen.. staying in uk 10yrs

will it be a risk directly REGISTERING MN1 without ILR for kids ?

[zimba]

You seem to going around circles again, repeating the same pattern during ILR. There is no risk, the sky is not going to fall.
Why not follow the advice I gave you above ???