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Is she your girlfriend then?essex_builders wrote:i have a polish lady to whom i want to get marriage.
Sighessex_builders wrote: i have been student of ireland,due to visa expirement i became illegal.now a days i am living illega in ireland.i have a polish lady to whom i want to get marriage.can i get marriage with her legaly.
what kind of documents i need.as i have pps,bank accounts.
will they give me permission for marriage or not.as i have been a previous students before becoming an illegal.pls help me.
There are no checks on your immigration status when marrying in Ireland. There were plans to do so, but that bill was never passed. I agree on the checks being a good idea, but lots of training and funding would be required to expand the DoJ's role to cover this. Not likely any time soonciaramc wrote:I was thinking the same thing the post is suspicious...I think the DoJ should be allowed to check if married couples live together if there is suspicion that it is a marriage of convenience......they do it all the time in Italy!
But are you allowed to get married in Ireland if your illegal? I would think not?
If you and your girlfriend are in a genuine relationship and your reasons for seeking the partnership are not simply for the rights, why should you not be allowed to get married, simply because you cannot show several years bank statement or bills or joint mortgage.Bollocks.
Article 35
Abuse of rights
Member States may adopt the necessary measures to refuse,
terminate or withdraw any right conferred by this Directive in
the case of abuse of rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience.
Any such measure shall be proportionate and subject to
the procedural safeguards provided for in Articles 30 and 31.
A fairly justified but problematic position though. An honourable immigration ministersuggested watching polish/lithuanian female populus as a hot product on the marriage convenience market. Equally, should JFK immigration personnel search Irish travellers for signs of one way trip in the light of the illegal irish in the states plight? Dont trhow the water with the baby, no more not less.ciaramc wrote: I totally agree with checking out these marriages.....the system is being abused alot and it is the genuine couples and family members who are suffering!
Obie: Seriously, get off your high horse. No one is ostracising anyone. And it is not that the OP is "clashing with moral views", the fact is that it sounds like the OP is seeking to do something illegal. I am sure the terms of use on this site discourage thisObie wrote:Wow wow i am feeling quite intoxicated now.
I don't believe any contributor should be ostracised from the forum for seeking advise, however much that advise clashes with our moral views of things
Obie wrote:If you and your girlfriend are in a genuine relationship and your reasons for seeking the partnership are not simply for the rights, why should you not be allowed to get married, simply because you cannot show several years bank statement or bills or joint mortgage.Bollocks.
So this person has entered the UK illegally, then had re-entered Ireland illegally, and direcly states that he wishes to marry his girlfriend because he is now illegal. As far as I can read this poster is looking for advice to carry out a Marriage of Convenience. As I and many other posters on this site were put through a million hoops and rings to "prevent marriages of convenience" I have a personal as well as philosophical issue with those who have caused Immigration Authorities be so cautious.essex_builders wrote:i have been a student of ireland ,then ia came in uk without visa,now again i came in ireland but still living illegal immigrant,bcoz extention date of my visa is expired.
i have my gir friend.can i get marriage with her legaly as i am now illega.so plz what kind of docouments i need.
i have pps.banck details every things
What high horse. To the contrary. If i ever get the opportunity of meeting you, you will realise i am nothing of the sort.scrudu wrote: Obie: Seriously, get off your high horse. No one is ostracising anyone. And it is not that the OP is "clashing with moral views", the fact is that it sounds like the OP is seeking to do something illegal. I am sure the terms of use on this site discourage this
That is fine, suggest to the EU commissioner to remove the rights of family member from obtaining residency through their marriage, or implement probationary period. Fine by me. I have always said, if i find an Irish girl i like, i will not give the authority the satisfaction of scrutinizing our relationship. He or she can come to my home country.scrudu wrote: No one is discussing about whether they should be allowed get married or not. The point is whether a person should be granted Immigration status simply on the fact they have married an EU citizen, if the reason this marriage was contracted was to get a visa. This is called a "marriage of convenience" and should be prevented.
If you care to read his statement carefully, you will realise he had an Irish student visa, which for reasons best known to him, he failed to renew. Therefore he entered the state legally.Scrudu wrote: So this person has entered the UK illegally, then had re-entered Ireland illegally, and direcly states that he wishes to marry his girlfriend because he is now illegal. As far as I can read this poster is looking for advice to carry out a Marriage of Convenience. As I and many other posters on this site were put through a million hoops and rings to "prevent marriages of convenience" I have a personal as well as philosophical issue with those who have caused Immigration Authorities be so cautious.
As with any poster on this site, the only information anyone has to go on, is the information offered by the poster him/herself. I have read and re-read both posts by the OP and believe he has clearly stated that he wishes to gain residency by marrying his girlfriend simply to change his current illegal status.Obie wrote:I do think you are using strong legalistic language for something you have little or no proof about.
Incorrect. He presumably entered Ireland legally (no evidence in post) but at least he had a Student visa at some point. He then travelled illegally to the UK and then returned to Ireland. When he returned to Ireland his visa status was at that point expired, so his re-entry to Ireland was illegal. His other posts on this forum requesting information about whether it's possible to visit Belfast from the ROI without ID checks suggests how he did that.Obie wrote:If you care to read his statement carefully, you will realise he had an Irish student visa, which for reasons best known to him, he failed to renew. Therefore he entered the state legally.
I think his post quite clearly displays this. You do not need me to invent information. I as you can only rely on the information given by the OP. Notice also that the OP has not made one comment on this thread. Had he posted to add further information that he was in fact in a relationship and was considering marriage for reasons other than to get to stay in Ireland legally, i may reconsider my opinion. Based on his posts so far, it looks very unlikely at this time.Obie wrote:If you have any concrete/ undisputable evidence that his relationship to the girlfriend is purely to obtain a residency and not even 1 % is out of love for his girlfriend or there is a relationship existing. I might me compelled to retract some of my earlier statement.
Obie wrote:Until such a time, i maintain my view that i think the OP appears to be ostracised by some member, whose names i didn't mention incidentally, on the forum.
El Shadai: The forum is meant to be a place to share information and advise between forum members. It is not intended to be a place where people can engage in illegal activities. I see no reason to remain silent simply because I do not wish to help a person should they wish to engage in illegal behaviour. Stand by if you want, but don't ask me to do so. See also, Basic Rules for Members (and all other users): reads (http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=3)1. to exclude, by general consent, from society, friendship, conversation, privileges, etc.: His friends ostracized him after his father's arrest.
2. to banish (a person) from his or her native country; expatriate.
3. (in ancient Greece) to banish (a citizen) temporarily by popular vote.
3. There can be no 'discussion' or 'advice' regarding how to engage in illegal activities (such as but not limited to: how to illegally acquire copyrighted material, work permits, visas, passports or other documents), and no links to websites providing such information.
Agreed.archigabe wrote:I think it's everyone's responsibility to keep the discussions on this forum on a civil and LEGAL basis. I don't see how scrudu can be described as abrasive or disrespectful when she's questioning someone's motives based on the information provided.
I don't see why others on this forum need to get defensive when all she's done is point out what seems on the face of it to be a request for information to commit something unlawful.
ehhh what?? Perhaps you should re-read your posts on this topic!obie wrote:I strongly believe in saying nothing, if I am unable to say something edifying or positive to an individual in distress or members of the human race.