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Perhaps call centre work is the way to go for people in India? I phoned up my bank yesterday and spoke to someone in India, phoned up Singapore Airlines to see if i could bring my flight forward and i spoke to someone in India again, told to phone back the next day and i spoke to...another Indian! My old work place actually set up a dedicated call centre in India too, in Mumbai, shortly before the bombings over there.Wanderer wrote:None jobs that's why!nm wrote:None..Surprising to see
Really, don't bother just yet, everyone's outsourcing offshore to India at the moment ironically, when that goes tits up and it definitely will the market will pick up here.
In times like this the powers that be want to pay peanuts, and if you pay peanuts you get monkeys I'm afraid - first law of offshoring.meats wrote:Perhaps call centre work is the way to go for people in India? I phoned up my bank yesterday and spoke to someone in India, phoned up Singapore Airlines to see if i could bring my flight forward and i spoke to someone in India again, told to phone back the next day and i spoke to...another Indian! My old work place actually set up a dedicated call centre in India too, in Mumbai, shortly before the bombings over there.Wanderer wrote:None jobs that's why!nm wrote:None..Surprising to see :cry:
Really, don't bother just yet, everyone's outsourcing offshore to India at the moment ironically, when that goes tits up and it definitely will the market will pick up here.
If u read I did say the Oracle guys (Indian) I dealt with face to face here in UK where A1 guys, top of their game.InUkOnHsmp wrote:hi Wanderer,
I beg to differ with you here.
There is no universal rule in life. I have met some of these people you call "monkeys" who get paid peanuts, but they are 10 times brighter than some other people, who get way more than peanuts.
Sometimes its just circumstances which force you to keep jobs which pay peanuts, but that does not necessarily mean you are a monkey.
Of course there are incompetent people everywhere, and its no exception here, you will find all kinds.
Well i know I have moved far from the topic nm was discussing, but then I had to put in my 2 cents here.
Well IMHO too, no offense.
Regards
Loads of rubbish assumption. I too am in IT from ages now and I have worked myself in India for years. 80% of them hired by good MNC's are quality people which is SAME as in UK.Wanderer wrote:
And in that scenario u pay peanuts, u get monkeys, of that there is no doubt.
This is what will happen, 100% sure, everyone will get pissed of with the cheap incompetents and start re-engaging not only Brits but Indians/HSMP/WP guys here too. It's a cycle. I've been in IT for eeek a long time and contracting since 1994, and I have seen this cycle turn and turn...
They do it when they want to cut costs.gainvidya wrote:And why is it bothering you if the company are happy with we Indian. They do that when they are exhauted with quality people in UK/US.Wanderer wrote:
And in that scenario u pay peanuts, u get monkeys, of that there is no doubt.
This is what will happen, 100% sure, everyone will get pissed of with the cheap incompetents and start re-engaging not only Brits but Indians/HSMP/WP guys here too. It's a cycle. I've been in IT for eeek a long time and contracting since 1994, and I have seen this cycle turn and turn...
I couldn't agree more with this opinion. It has got nothing to do with race or nationality. It's the outsourcing businesses that are to blame. They are only after money, all they are concerned about is their profit margins. I have seen it happen firsthand. When they were trying to build relationship with their customer they provided well experienced, top of the draw guys in the project. The customer was very happy and offshored more work. Then after a couple of years once the relationship was established they (the outsourcing company) pulled the rug from under, forced new inexperienced people with questionable communication skills to take on the jobs that the experienced guys did. No awards for guessing what happened next. The project was screwed, client became unhappy, sacked the offshore team and had to bring in costly contractors here to finish the project.They do it when they want to cut costs.
Exactly! And me being in this business so long I've seen it happen time and time again.SKUK wrote:I couldn't agree more with this opinion. It has got nothing to do with race or nationality. It's the outsourcing businesses that are to blame. They are only after money, all they are concerned about is their profit margins. I have seen it happen firsthand. When they were trying to build relationship with their customer they provided well experienced, top of the draw guys in the project. The customer was very happy and offshored more work. Then after a couple of years once the relationship was established they (the outsourcing company) pulled the rug from under, forced new inexperienced people with questionable communication skills to take on the jobs that the experienced guys did. No awards for guessing what happened next. The project was screwed, client became unhappy, sacked the offshore team and had to bring in costly contractors here to finish the project.They do it when they want to cut costs.
I cant disagree with this more. You must be picking up 1 out of 1000 case. The count of number of IT projects offshored to India is increasing and not decreasing it does not matter whatever the reason it be.SKUK wrote:I couldn't agree more with this opinion. It has got nothing to do with race or nationality. It's the outsourcing businesses that are to blame. They are only after money, all they are concerned about is their profit margins. I have seen it happen firsthand. When they were trying to build relationship with their customer they provided well experienced, top of the draw guys in the project. The customer was very happy and offshored more work. Then after a couple of years once the relationship was established they (the outsourcing company) pulled the rug from under, forced new inexperienced people with questionable communication skills to take on the jobs that the experienced guys did. No awards for guessing what happened next. The project was screwed, client became unhappy, sacked the offshore team and had to bring in costly contractors here to finish the project.They do it when they want to cut costs.
Yes it is increasing - hence the paucity of the job market in UK.gainvidya wrote:I cant disagree with this more. You must be picking up 1 out of 1000 case. The count of number of projects offshoring thier IT work to India in increasing NOT decreasing it does not matter whatever the reason be.SKUK wrote:I couldn't agree more with this opinion. It has got nothing to do with race or nationality. It's the outsourcing businesses that are to blame. They are only after money, all they are concerned about is their profit margins. I have seen it happen firsthand. When they were trying to build relationship with their customer they provided well experienced, top of the draw guys in the project. The customer was very happy and offshored more work. Then after a couple of years once the relationship was established they (the outsourcing company) pulled the rug from under, forced new inexperienced people with questionable communication skills to take on the jobs that the experienced guys did. No awards for guessing what happened next. The project was screwed, client became unhappy, sacked the offshore team and had to bring in costly contractors here to finish the project.They do it when they want to cut costs.
Good. You are thinking like a businessman then .I cant disagree with this more.
Of course it is increasing and at a phenomenal rate that too. Otherwise the company I cited in my story wouldn't grow from a turnover of a few hundred million dollars to few billion dollars as of last count, that too in just a few years. Oxymoron you might think.The count of number of IT projects offshored to India is increasing and not decreasing it does not matter whatever the reason it be