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This kind of story doesn't make any sense.JamesStraker wrote:I find myself caught in the middle of a very difficult situation and I do not know what I should do? I'm not sure if this is what this forum is for, but I don't know where else to go Trying to find advice on this issue is not easy. I am a British Man, from a British family, with a British Passport and my girlfriend is half Lithuanian/half Finnish and has lived in the UK for some time. We are thinking of setting up home together. My girlfriend was born and raised in Finland, but holds a Lithuanian passport. I have wondered why she does not hold hold a Finnish passport. The reason (I have only just found out) is because the information on her Lithuanian passport is false. Her date of birth is wrong by six years, and her place of birth is also wrong. She was born in Finland but her passport says she was born in Lithuania. Basically when she was 13, she got pregnant to a Lithuanian man. She was brainwashed into an illegal marriage with a this man, illegally moved to Lithuania with false papers without the consent of her parents and all her documents were changed by her then husband. She managed to get away from the marriage and start a new life in the UK, however she is living her life under false information.
I don't get the moral outrage of the age issue. Women lie about their age all the time and its none of her children's business what her age is. As for false info and marrying them based on it, this is more plausible for being upset. In life, people's details are mismanaged and never corrected. My mother's passport has DOB different than her driver's license. No one has called her in on it.JamesStraker wrote:Just to clarify a few things. Her Father was Finnish, her mother was Lithuanian. She was born in Finland, and lived there from birth until the age of 13. She then lived from the age of 13 until her late 20s in Lithuania, under the false identity created for her. To answer the reply sent by Mr Rusty, yes marrying me would maybe give her a new identity, but how does that solve the problem that her date of birth is incorrect by 6 years? The thought of having to bring up our children and lie to them about their Mother's age for the rest of our lives is just not moraly right in my opinion. Also if I am marrying somebody who is living under false information, am I not also breaking the law by knowingly doing this? I would consider myself an honourable law abiding citizen, and I want to do things the correct way. If we just went to the UK Immigration authoroties and basically told them the whole truth from start to finish, how do you think they would deal with her? It seems like a grey area to me because how can they deport her back to Lithuania if her identity wasn't real in the first place, so officially she wasn't really a citizen of anywhere because this identity isn't real? The only real identity was before she was 13 which was in Finland, so is this not a matter for the Finnish Authoroties aswell? I think my head is going to explode
You are really extreme on the moral compass to think that age is such a big deal that you have to honest about. It is only important for military service, eligibility to vote, to drive and being old enough to drink. In any case, based on your standards, then you shouldn't be involved with your gf at all. You are the one making it a debate on morales. I said find a detective.JamesStraker wrote:Hi republique,
Although I respect everyone has different opinions, I really do not agree with what you are saying. I would be horrified if I found out my Mother's age was 6 years different from what it really was and I would be equally upset if I suddenly found out she wasn't really born in England, she announced she was really born in Rome. I think it is your children's business what your true age is. I would never dream of telling my children lies about who I really am, whether I could get away with the lie or not. I don't think families should have secrets like that from each other. I don't know how we can preach truth and honesty and expect our familes and children to have respect for us as parents if we are in turn telling them lies about ourselves. The problem aswell with living with lies is in the end people often find out the truth by a different means which makes the situation even worse. Now it may be normal in some countries for people to walk around with false identities, but my passport and driving licence says who I really am not who I am not, and I think we all have a responsibility to hold correct documentation regardless of our past. What you have to realise is that my girlfriend agrees with my view as well, we just came here looking for help not looking for a debate on moral's. We just did not know how to go about it and thought somebody else may of experienced a similar situation with a successful outcome. It appears the one thing me and my girlfriend are guilty of is being naive
NO I have high regard for the law.JamesStraker wrote:Republik, I am astonished at your dis regard for law, I just hope you don't ever get a job in a passport office, we will all be walking around with false identities. Thanks to the other people who have tried to offer help, we yesterday contacted a Finnish Consulate who is going to speak to the Finnish Embassy on our behalf, I shall let you know the outcome
Just because you can get away with something doesn't make it legal, thats just my view, fair enough if you have a different opinion. We'll just agree to disagree. Not looking for an argument[/quote]"In life, people's details are mismanaged and never corrected. My mother's passport has DOB different than her driver's license. No one has called her in on it."
Based on what? Her word that she is not who her documents say she is, but someone else who was kidnapped at age 13 and has no close relatives who can identify her? Seems a bit difficult to me...benifa wrote:Is it possible for your girlfriend to apply for a copy of her birth certificate, either via the Finnish embassy in London, or to the relevant authority in Finland directly?
I don't know about in Finland, but in the UK it is possible to obtain anybody's birth certificate, online (and very easily).Marco 72 wrote:Based on what? Her word that she is not who her documents say she is, but someone else who was kidnapped at age 13 and has no close relatives who can identify her? Seems a bit difficult to me...benifa wrote:Is it possible for your girlfriend to apply for a copy of her birth certificate, either via the Finnish embassy in London, or to the relevant authority in Finland directly?
It depends on the context. For example:Marco 72 wrote:Also, it's incorrect to say that EU nationals are not subject to UK immigration control.
Direct.gov wrote:You're not subject to immigration control if any of the following applies:
* you’re a UK national
* you’re from the European Economic Area or Switzerland
* you’ve claimed asylum and you have been told by the Home Office that you can stay in the UK as a refugee
* the Home Office has told you that you are allowed to stay in the UK indefinitely
What good would it do to her to get someone else's birth certificate, unless she can prove it is hers? (Assuming this person exists, of course; to me the story makes little sense).benifa wrote:I don't know about in Finland, but in the UK it is possible to obtain anybody's birth certificate, online (and very easily).
The website is incorrect. Seebenifa wrote:It depends on the context. For example:Marco 72 wrote:Also, it's incorrect to say that EU nationals are not subject to UK immigration control.
Direct.gov wrote:You're not subject to immigration control if any of the following applies:
* you’re a UK national
* you’re from the European Economic Area or Switzerland
* you’ve claimed asylum and you have been told by the Home Office that you can stay in the UK as a refugee
* the Home Office has told you that you are allowed to stay in the UK indefinitely
None whatsoever. This is not what is being proposed. The advice was for the girl to try and obtain a copy of her birth certificate.Marco 72 wrote:What good would it do to her to get someone else's birth certificate
Not quite.