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Sorry, where?moonlight123 wrote:pakland
Parkland?benifa wrote:Sorry, where?moonlight123 wrote:pakland
whoopsWanderer wrote:Parkland?benifa wrote:Sorry, where?moonlight123 wrote:pakland
He didnt apply for a work visa. Straight visit visa. He cant work anyway as his disability prevents him.Wanderer wrote:On what criteria did he apply for work visa? Tier 1 or Tier 2?
This will all sound a bit dubious to the ECO, overstaying and reapplying...
I will verify exact wording but I think the issue is they doubt he is a genuine visitor but what I find confusing is why they would doubt a deaf & dumb person? He isnt capable of working - he doesnt even wear a hearing aid.Kitty wrote:Did they actually say "we are refusing you because you have overstayed", or did they say that because of the duration or frequency of his previous visits they doubted whether he was a genuine visitor?
My understanding of the long-term visit visa is that the same rules apply as with an ordinary one: each trip may be no more than 6 months long, and visiting for more than 6 months in any 12 might cause the ECO to be suspicious of the true reason for travelling to the UK. But that's not the same as "overstaying".
U did say work visa didnt u - I noticed u edited...moonlight123 wrote:He didnt apply for a work visa. Straight visit visa. He cant work anyway as his disability prevents him.Wanderer wrote:On what criteria did he apply for work visa? Tier 1 or Tier 2?
This will all sound a bit dubious to the ECO, overstaying and reapplying...
Overstaying was purely him jus enjoying it here - back in Pakistan a disability is a bad thing yet here he felt comfortble and experienced more of a normal life. He was under the impression cant stay for more than 6 months at a time.
Just because he has a disability does not accord him preference over the laid down rules. It's not about his disability! It's about him staying for more than the allowed six months within the twelve month period. He broke the rules, whether knowingly or not! It's as simple as that! Sorry.moonlight123 wrote:why they would doubt a deaf & dumb person? He isnt capable of working - he doesnt even wear a hearing aid.
I edited pakland to pakistan - too busy writing email i didnt realise I wrote pakland! I never edited any further.Wanderer wrote:U did say work visa didnt u - I noticed u edited...moonlight123 wrote:He didnt apply for a work visa. Straight visit visa. He cant work anyway as his disability prevents him.Wanderer wrote:On what criteria did he apply for work visa? Tier 1 or Tier 2?
This will all sound a bit dubious to the ECO, overstaying and reapplying...
Overstaying was purely him jus enjoying it here - back in Pakistan a disability is a bad thing yet here he felt comfortble and experienced more of a normal life. He was under the impression cant stay for more than 6 months at a time.
true say.Rozen wrote:Just because he has a disability does not accord him preference over the laid down rules. It's not about his disability! It's about him staying for more than the allowed six months within the twelve month period. He broke the rules, whether knowingly or not! It's as simple as that! Sorry.moonlight123 wrote:why they would doubt a deaf & dumb person? He isnt capable of working - he doesnt even wear a hearing aid.
True.moonlight123 wrote:true say.Rozen wrote:Just because he has a disability does not accord him preference over the laid down rules. It's not about his disability! It's about him staying for more than the allowed six months within the twelve month period. He broke the rules, whether knowingly or not! It's as simple as that! Sorry. :(moonlight123 wrote:why they would doubt a deaf & dumb person? He isnt capable of working - he doesnt even wear a hearing aid.
so even though he had a 2yr visa he cant stay more than 6 months within a 12 month period?
what are our options to get his visa accepted again?Wanderer wrote:True.moonlight123 wrote:true say.Rozen wrote:Just because he has a disability does not accord him preference over the laid down rules. It's not about his disability! It's about him staying for more than the allowed six months within the twelve month period. He broke the rules, whether knowingly or not! It's as simple as that! Sorry.moonlight123 wrote:why they would doubt a deaf & dumb person? He isnt capable of working - he doesnt even wear a hearing aid.
so even though he had a 2yr visa he cant stay more than 6 months within a 12 month period?
mate...this is irrelevant. Its slang and to be honest having lived in UK all my life I have never heard Englastaninwarsaw wrote:This is the first time I am hearing that Pakistan is sometimes called Pakland.
Some countries do have different names in different languages for example England in Urdu is Englastan and in Polish is Anglee but referring to Pakistan as Pakland is rather idiotic.
Bro give it a rest. I know urdu & punjabi very well - visit pakistan every year. Married there too! I know my roots very well & dont need to be told otherwise.inwarsaw wrote:You don't know Urdu then, thats a shame !moonlight123 wrote: mate...this is irrelevant. Its slang and to be honest having lived in UK all my life I have never heard Englastan
I don't think it's accurate to describe this as "overstaying". If you overstay, you have stayed in the UK for longer than your entry clearance or other leave permits.sushdmehta wrote:2. Did the 2nd (five and half months) trip end within 12 months of the date of entry on the 1st visit? If yes, he stayed seven and half months in given 12 calendar months. Therefore, rightly denied as having overstayed before.
No matter the length of the visitor visa...6 months, 1/2/5/10 years, the fact remains that you MUST NOT stay longer than a TOTAL of six months in any twelve (unless you get special permission to do so by UKBA).Kitty wrote:I don't think it's accurate to describe this as "overstaying". If you overstay, you have stayed in the UK for longer than your entry clearance or other leave permits.
If you enter as a visitor, you must leave either by the end date of your visa (if you have a bog standard 6 months sticker), or within 6 months of your entry date.
The 6/12 "rule" is a guideline (albeit one that is used fairly readily, so I suppose you might describe it as a "rule" in that sense) for ECOs etc. when they are deciding whether someone is a visitor or not (as you say, they could be coming here to work, or for medical treatment, or to get married or something). People who visit the UK for more than half a given year may well not genuinely be a visitor.
So it's not a case of saying "you broke the rules, tough." More like, "your pattern of visits makes it look like you are not doing what you say you're doing. Either get evidence that supports your story, or accept that the IO doesn't believe you".
By 'special', I meant that you must have a really good reason for asking to remain beyond the six month period!Kitty wrote:When you say "special permission" from the UK Border Agency, when and where would you get this?