Moving to Ireland

[phantomzangel]

My boyfriend and I are planning on moving to Ireland. We're doing our research and making sure we are making the right decision. Our interest lies in County Cork, which is actually where my family is originally from. My family name "Carroll" immigrated to the states back in 1914. I was wondering if anyone had any tips? I heard the Quality of life is better there, the health care, and the economy. I've read many sites and researched until my eyes went sore. lol Whatever tips you can give me would be highly appreciated.

(we plan on vacationing there first of course)

Things in the States have gotten out of control, so we have decided to start a plan to pack up and move in the next 2 or 3 years

[phantomzangel]

My boyfriend and I are planning on moving to Ireland. We're doing our research and making sure we are making the right decision. Our interest lies in County Cork, which is actually where my family is originally from. My family name "Carroll" immigrated to the states back in 1914. I was wondering if anyone had any tips? I heard the Quality of life is better there, the health care, and the economy. I've read many sites and researched until my eyes went sore. lol Whatever tips you can give me would be highly appreciated.

(we plan on vacationing there first of course)

Things in the States have gotten out of control, so we have decided to start a plan to pack up and move in the next 2 or 3 years

I WROTE THIS IN THE WRONG SECTION SORRY!

[TRV]

I am sorry to hear that you chose Ireland to move to. Ireland success stories ended few years ago, now all that is left is messed up version of Ireland. I would strongly recommend that you look somewhere else. It is your decision of course but don't say no one warned you. good luck.

[doesnotcompute]

My reply does not address the question directly, but you may find it informative anyway.

How far back does your Irish ancestry go? If one of your grandparents were born in Ireland, you would be entitled to apply for Irish citizenship through Foreign Births Registration. Once you become an Irish citizen, you could then apply for an Irish passport. Since Ireland is a member of the EEA, you would be entitled to reside in any EEA country, and (presumably) have your boyfriend reside with you as a dependent of an EEA national. This would give you more options, considering what TRV is saying above about Ireland's success story having come to a standstill.

Alternatively, if one of your parents became an Irish citizen on the basis of Irish descent BEFORE you were born (or before July 1986), you might also be entitled to apply for Irish citizenship through descent. I would advise you to contact your local Irish Embassy/Consulate of Ireland about this. They would also be able to provide information about moving to Ireland.

[IKZAR]

hi OP

Being a foreigner in Ireland, must agree with TRV. make sure that you research your facts properly before moving here.

Unemployment is soaring sky high (in 2009 11% of the population or circa 300000), and the debt (something ridiculous like 80 billion euros) placed on the Irish tax-payers as a result of the mess that the Irish government created during the economic boom makes one certainly wonder WTF the government is doing.

Apart from that, Ireland is also very expensive compared to its European neighbours.

So I honestly hope that you make a fully-informed decision before you decide to move here. Good luck.

[IrishTom]

My boyfriend and I are planning on moving to Ireland. We're doing our research and making sure we are making the right decision. Our interest lies in County Cork, which is actually where my family is originally from. My family name "Carroll" immigrated to the states back in 1914. I was wondering if anyone had any tips? I heard the Quality of life is better there, the health care, and the economy. I've read many sites and researched until my eyes went sore. lol Whatever tips you can give me would be highly appreciated.

(we plan on vacationing there first of course)

Things in the States have gotten out of control, so we have decided to start a plan to pack up and move in the next 2 or 3 years

Caaaark? The accent would drive you mad. Just kidding, beautiful place, especially West Cork.

Have you been to Ireland before? If not, I would recommend you visit for a week or two, suss out job opportunities in your field, some where to live. That sort of thing.

The economy is doing well, which website was this, Ógra Fianna Fáils?

The economy is quite bad here, to put it mildly, and it looks like it will get worse before it gets better. There are circa 500,000(unofficially) people currently unemployed and the GND is around 80,000,000 euro. If moolah isnt the most important thing in your life, then yes, life is good here.

[IrishTom]

I am sorry to hear that you chose Ireland to move to. Ireland success stories ended few years ago, now all that is left is messed up version of Ireland. I would strongly recommend that you look somewhere else. It is your decision of course but don't say no one warned you. good luck.

Have you ever heard of RyanAir? If you think Ireland is such a bad place, why not avail of their services?

[koded]

]I am sorry

to hear that you chose Have you ever heard of RyanAir? If you think Ireland is such a bad place, why not avail of their services?

I guess you are more of antagonistic in this forum. Of course, there is nothing bad in critizing and airing you opinion but you should try to be more constructive.
If this person(TRV) had said that Ireland is economically good, you will still attack him. He was just advising that this person should try other country and you want him to leave the country.
It is certain that Ireland is messed up at the moment and of course other EU countries are not better.

[IrishTom]

I guess you are more of antagonistic in this forum. Of course, there is nothing bad in critizing and airing you opinion but you should try to be more constructive.
If this person(TRV) had said that Ireland is economically good, you will still attack him. He was just advising that this person should try other country and you want him to leave the country.
It is certain that Ireland is messed up at the moment and of course other EU countries are not better.

Ireland offers much more than just a place to earn money. Its not an industrial estate nor an ATM. It is a nation with a rich culture. It offers one of the best standards of living in the world. Of course, with economic meltdown, the numbers arriving will decrease. But the OP is a member of the Irish diaspora, who, during the boom, we treated disgracefully*. She obviously feels a bond with the country.

I personally know numerous members of the diaspora(they before being called Irish). Irelands recent prosperity was one of the last reasons they returned home.

Before anyone howls beloved, the diaspora comes in many hues, creeds and colours. Argentinians to Zimbabweans. We should have welcomed the diaspora home during the boom times. Instead of setting up FAS job fairs in Warsaw, Prague, etc we should have set them up in Boston, Buenos Aires, and Bridgetown. F*ck economics, it was the moral thing to do. Also, we would now have no "integration fears" as the newcomers would consider themselves Irish and absorb themselves in Irish culture.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/09/1 ... -economics

[Darkhorse]

Ireland offers much more than just a place to earn money. Its not an industrial estate nor an ATM. It is a nation with a rich culture. It offers one of the best standards of living in the world. Of course, with economic meltdown, the numbers arriving will decrease.

I completely agree with this 200%.
However you shouldn't form opinion best on this statement only. You should also see some survey about attitude toward foreigner recently.

[TRV]

Wow !!!

IrishTom mate, I am here because your irish government came to my country looking for healthcare professional due to shortage of qualified specialist doctors in Ireland. Believe it or not, they gave job offer letter in my country when they were there for two weeks recruitment campaign. I am working here from day one for the last 11 years and so does my partner. We did not take any of your low paid jobs.

I am part of Irish economic boom and bust as much as you are. I am merely stating the facts. I am concerned about this country as much as you do. I do not want another person (irish descent or foreigner or whoever) come here to live could not find a job and goes on social welfare becoming burden to you and me as a tax payer.

By the way, Ryan air do not fly to my ex home country, it is Irish airline as you know, can't fly too far... good luck matey...

[sovtek]

Wow !!!

IrishTom mate, I am here because your irish government came to my country looking for healthcare professional due to shortage of qualified specialist doctors in Ireland. Believe it or not, they gave job offer letter in my country when they were there for two weeks recruitment campaign. I am working here from day one for the last 11 years and so does my partner. We did not take any of your low paid jobs.

I am part of Irish economic boom and bust as much as you are. I am merely stating the facts. I am concerned about this country as much as you do. I do not want another person (irish descent or foreigner or whoever) come here to live could not find a job and goes on social welfare becoming burden to you and me as a tax payer.

By the way, Ryan air do not fly to my ex home country, it is Irish airline as you know, can't fly too far... good luck matey...

I propose that someone that works in this country is entitled to social welfare when they need it and is NOT a burden on the state.
Someone who has never worked here is not entitled to social welfare as far as I'm aware.

[Ben]

Someone who has never worked here is not entitled to social welfare as far as I'm aware.

EEA nationals (and their family members are), in certain circumstances.

[TRV]

oh, BTW matey, I left Ireland few years back to work in the US and guess what, your so called irish buddies cried and call me back to work in Ireland again and offered me more money to work back in Ireland because they can't fill my job position for a year....

Integration to Irish culture....I will have a irish descent daughter in law soon enough mate...in fact we have to sponsor her to live in Ireland as she is born in US, never been to ireland, at that time she met my son in US.

so, don't be sterotype, there are exceptions, and not every foreigner in y"our" country is eastern european or african living on social money.

[IrishTom]

Someone who has never worked here is not entitled to social welfare as far as I'm aware.

EEA nationals (and their family members are), in certain circumstances.

And refugees(no problem with that) and failed asylum seekers given leave to remain(massive problem with that).

EEA nationals can claim in Ireland once they have made one PRSI contribution here and 2 years worth in another EU country.

[TRV]

Well Irish Tom, when you walk in to a hospital next time, wait for an irish doctor, until HSE manages to find one for you. good luck for not fainting on the floor until the trolley arrives for you.

[walrusgumble]

Someone who has never worked here is not entitled to social welfare as far as I'm aware.

EEA nationals (and their family members are), in certain circumstances.

And refugees(no problem with that) and failed asylum seekers given leave to remain(massive problem with that).

EEA nationals can claim in Ireland once they have made one PRSI contribution here and 2 years worth in another EU country.

Not all people who failed in their asylum application but got leave to remain should be put into the same circle you have put. I hear what you are saying, but, for various reasons, people from Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and Zimbabwe have been granted ltr and not refugee status. the reason for this was because refugee status is a very narrow defintion. Its not enough merely to be a person in a war zone if you or people like you (ie religious section or ethnicity). You must have being persecuted on a conventional ground ie political (meaning real association with a political party or cause), religion, etc. This is not always easy to prove. One often needs documents to prove this. How many would be lunitic enough carrying around eg mdc membership in really really bad days, no more than 3 years ago?

Would you really send those from countries i mentioned, back ? Well all countries are under obligation of international law to abide by the prinicple of non refoulement were its likely that you could suffer serious inhuman, ,degrading treatment and punishment or torture or persecution even if you personally might not be known to the authorities (as you know many of the baddies in these stories, are prone to indiscriminate treatment of people) You have seen the news reels and papers

Best to say nought about the others We know nought about them

[walrusgumble]

Wow !!!

IrishTom mate, I am here because your irish government came to my country looking for healthcare professional due to shortage of qualified specialist doctors in Ireland. Believe it or not, they gave job offer letter in my country when they were there for two weeks recruitment campaign. I am working here from day one for the last 11 years and so does my partner. We did not take any of your low paid jobs.

I am part of Irish economic boom and bust as much as you are. I am merely stating the facts. I am concerned about this country as much as you do. I do not want another person (irish descent or foreigner or whoever) come here to live could not find a job and goes on social welfare becoming burden to you and me as a tax payer.

By the way, Ryan air do not fly to my ex home country, it is Irish airline as you know, can't fly too far... good luck matey...

I propose that someone that works in this country is entitled to social welfare when they need it and is NOT a burden on the state.
Someone who has never worked here is not entitled to social welfare as far as I'm aware.

I agree, only if the state is able to do so and only if that person has resided and work in Ireland at least by 3-5 years.Anything less, I am sorry, but would be open to potential abuse, and then genuine people will be getting alot of nonsense. Where someone is on a work permit, their permission to remain here is solely on the basis that they continue to work! it says this on the passport stamp, so its not like the person was not aware of this. If someone loses their permit then they either have to get a new job or leave. No different to other countries? In fairness, you saw that at the end of last year, the department gave some form of amnesty to people who were undocumented through no fault of their own.

I might be wrong. But here is my theory as to why the Minister wants self sufficiency (incidentially, what countries will give someone citizenship if they had sought certain social welfare and were not refugees?) This country have years of economic problems. Nearly every decade. This means, many Irish people have seen the dole que at some point. In history, Irish people leaving Ireland was a valve which released the pressure of state resources etc. Dev never really tried to stop them leave, did he? Or get them back? If an non Irish/non eu person loses their job or their host country goes to the toilet, it is likely (not neccessarily) that most will leave or new pastures, particularily the eu people (look how many will be in London for the run up to the Olympics or Poland for Euro 2012! - No doubt you will find many Irish builders there ) As for the Irish, yeah, many will leave but not all - for reasons such as family, money, and lack of chances/abilities in order to leave. Would many naturalised Irish citizens be able to leave Ireand after investiging much time and money in Ireland? Wouldn't any Minister, from any country, at least have to look at any implications on this in the future? What do people think, its a genuine point (please stop and think about this, and look at what your country would do?)

[IrishTom]

Well Irish Tom, when you walk in to a hospital next time, wait for an irish doctor, until HSE manages to find one for you. good luck for not fainting on the floor until the trolley arrives for you.

What are you on about?

[CheGuevara]

The Irish economy is messed up, i guess that is what you get when you elect Quacks and employ incompetent people as heads of financial institutions and now lets not even go to the corruption in the system,, Now lets not be blaming these on Migrants..

[walrusgumble]

The Irish economy is messed up, i guess that is what you get when you elect Quacks and employ incompetent people as heads of financial institutions and now lets not even go to the corruption in the system,, Now lets not be blaming these on Migrants..

Yes its messed up and yes we all have been suckered, but Ireland is trying to get out of it, unlike certain other EU states (I really pitty Germany and their people who tend to have to pick up the tabs) And under no uncertain terms should legal migrants who have contributed (most the non nationals in irleand fall under that category) be made scapegoats. (as for illegals, I blame the authorities for their lack of transparency and delays in causing so many court cases)

the same can be said about the US, Britian and anyone else who has been dossed in these economic troubled times and unwanted wars. What has your country done? Ye didn't seem to confident of yer countries when ye left for here.

[CheGuevara]

The Irish economy is messed up, i guess that is what you get when you elect Quacks and employ incompetent people as heads of financial institutions and now lets not even go to the corruption in the system,, Now lets not be blaming these on Migrants..

Yes its messed up and yes we all have been suckered, but Ireland is trying to get out of it, unlike certain other EU states (I really pitty Germany and their people who tend to have to pick up the tabs) And under no uncertain terms should legal migrants who have contributed (most the non nationals in irleand fall under that category) be made scapegoats. (as for illegals, I blame the authorities for their lack of transparency and delays in causing so many court cases)

the same can be said about the US, Britian and anyone else who has been dossed in these economic troubled times and unwanted wars. What has your country done? Ye didn't seem to confident of yer countries when ye left for here.

Yes, stop blaming Migrants and lay the blame for incompetence on the doors of your politicians. To be fair they are getting it sorted and i dont feel sorry for Germany or any other country because they all made money from recklessness but at least Germany and other countries who were responsible would see to it that their is genuine change.

[IrishTom]

We should have followed Germanys lead- by implementing a work permit scheme for the new accession states nationals.