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hello John i heard that if your visa is rejected as invalid then you dont qulify for section 3CJohn wrote:Welcome to Section 3C ! That is, if you have a valid visa and before the expiry of that visa you apply for a new visa, if the application has not been decided before the expiry date of the old visa, then that old visa is treated as continuing, even though the stated expiry date has passed, until the new visa is issued, or if the application is rejected then it continues until the expiry date of appealing against that rejection, and extended further if an appeal is lodged.
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Do you mean "i heard that if your visa application is rejected as invalid then you dont qulify for section 3C"? If so, that is you make an application for a visa, and the application is rejected, the "Section 3C protection" will last until the expiry of the period for appealing against that rejection, except if an appeal is indeed submitted, the "Section 3C protection" lasts until the appeal is heard, and if it is again rejected, until the time for appealing against that, etc..!i heard that if your visa is rejected as invalid then you dont qulify for section 3C
See also Home Office Applications: The Very Things That Are Likely to Get An Application Rejected As Invalid By The Home Office34C(b) wrote:The decision maker may contact the applicant or their representative in writing and give the applicant a single opportunity to correct any omission or error which renders the application invalid. The amended application and/or any requested documents must be received at the address specified in the request within 10 business days of the date on which the request was sent.”.
More:zinao wrote:do you know of any case or caselaw at the tribunal that has focused on the section 3C, in terms of valid and invalid applications.
zinao wrote:In my case i did not tick one mandatory box that dealt with benefits but in the caseworker instructions it states that discretion could be exercised if the info is in another part of the application, in my case, my NI nos. the claimant in that case also did not raise any issue about section 3 and he was offered discretion to submit new photos whereas in my application i was not offered nothing even though i asked for during my resubmitted application.
zinao wrote:Secondly when i submitted my second application i used the same photos which at that time was more than a month old. in practical terms that application should have been invalid again, since the homeoffice did not accept the invalid appliction arguement. i just find it crazy that the sec of state will use discretion in one part of application but not in another. if ou dont call that disportionate i dont know what else is.
Unfortunately, this seems to disregard the perhaps fairer 17(1)(b) provision that was previously in force until 2008. Its absence undermines the statutory protection normally provided by Section 3C. Sadly, expediency at the expense of justice is apparently becoming more and more acceptable?39 wrote:Finally, submissions were made that the Secretary of State did not notify the Claimant that she had a discretion which she could exercise. It was submitted that the Claimant should have been notified so that she in fact had the opportunity to make submissions as to why discretion should have been exercised in her favour. In my judgment there can be no possible mileage in that submission. If that submission were right it would follow that in every application that is made the Secretary of State would have to notify applicants whose applications would otherwise fail that she had a discretion and invite submissions. That would undermine the whole system, designed as it is with a simple form with clear questions and mandatory requirements to be dealt with by way of tick boxes. This would lead to arguments in every case as to what would be suitable for discretion and impose burdens on the Secretary of State which, in my judgment, would be wholly unacceptable and cannot properly be said to be part of her obligations. I further accept the submissions of Mr Evans that if the issue of discretion arose at all, it would have arisen at the time of the submission of the second application. He suggested, for example, that if the second application had been submitted indicating that the reason the first application was wrong was, say, that the UK Border Agency website was not working and it was not possible to establish the requirements at the time of the first application, then that information would provide information on which the issue of discretion might have to have been visited. It is not, in my judgment, nor could it ever properly be said to be part of the Secretary of State's function to notify the Claimant that she has a discretion and to invite the submission on matters going to that discretion. If there are matters in front of the Secretary of State which require her to consider whether to exercise her discretion, she plainly must take those matters into account, but she does not, in my judgment, have to write and ask for them.
i am sure anyone that states "discretion" in their appeal, the treasury dpt will use this paragraph in their defence. i dont know why the applicant did not mention section 3C had been eroded. this ruling will now affect others. furthermore neither of the rulings mentioned anything about section 3C which is important as the home office states that invalid applications dont qualify for section 3C so resubmitted refused application would have no right of appeal. With the ruling above, how will someone know that they had the right of appeal after an invaild visa, when it does not state anything on the application form that but gives you an option to apply again.Unfortunately, this seems to disregard the perhaps fairer 17(1)(b) provision that was previously in force until 2008. Its absence undermines the statutory protection normally provided by Section 3C. Sadly, expediency at the expense of justice is apparently becoming more and more acceptable?39 wrote:Finally, submissions were made that the Secretary of State did not notify the Claimant that she had a discretion which she could exercise. It was submitted that the Claimant should have been notified so that she in fact had the opportunity to make submissions as to why discretion should have been exercised in her favour. In my judgment there can be no possible mileage in that submission. If that submission were right it would follow that in every application that is made the Secretary of State would have to notify applicants whose applications would otherwise fail that she had a discretion and invite submissions. That would undermine the whole system, designed as it is with a simple form with clear questions and mandatory requirements to be dealt with by way of tick boxes. This would lead to arguments in every case as to what would be suitable for discretion and impose burdens on the Secretary of State which, in my judgment, would be wholly unacceptable and cannot properly be said to be part of her obligations. I further accept the submissions of Mr Evans that if the issue of discretion arose at all, it would have arisen at the time of the submission of the second application. He suggested, for example, that if the second application had been submitted indicating that the reason the first application was wrong was, say, that the UK Border Agency website was not working and it was not possible to establish the requirements at the time of the first application, then that information would provide information on which the issue of discretion might have to have been visited. It is not, in my judgment, nor could it ever properly be said to be part of the Secretary of State's function to notify the Claimant that she has a discretion and to invite the submission on matters going to that discretion. If there are matters in front of the Secretary of State which require her to consider whether to exercise her discretion, she plainly must take those matters into account, but she does not, in my judgment, have to write and ask for them.
mo pls tell us what the home office says about the gap and the 28 days as it may be beneficial to everyone. i personally think the ho hand out different letters to different pplmodanger wrote:Dear Vinny,
My situation is quite different having a gap in my lawful stay. My first application made before visa expire but returned invalid. Second application accepted as valid then i was granted LTR in 2003. It was resubmitted with in 28 days.
My question is, do you really think that my second application had carried out 28 days. I was not given 28 days in rejection letter? This is clear that my second application was aknowledged as valid on 06 August 2003 because of 01 August 2003 regulations were already in force. If not, how did the HO extract a gap in my lawful stay.
I hope you will reply me back.
Regards,
mo