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New points system(Tier 1) and HSMP

Post by apply4hsmp » Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:28 pm

See this

http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/ind/en ... r_-_a.html

Salient Features

1. Minimum points going up to 75

2. Differrent points for differrent earnings.

3. No points for spouse.

4. Points for age upto 31

5. Points if you studied in UK.

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Post by ifti786 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:37 am

Hi,

when this new point based system is going be implemented.

Thanx & Best Regards.

Iftikhar

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Post by madmax » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:24 am

Folks,
This is a proposal waiting to be tested. May take several months.
While pass mark is up to 75, it does make it very straight forward and does separate the wheat from the chaff amongst HSMP applicants. No haggling over graduate level work ex - which I am sure is a pain in the neck for applicants as well as HO. I have cut and paste the proposed points system.

Qualifications:
Bachelors: 30 points
Masters: 35 points
PhD: 50 points

Wages:
£16– 18: 5 points
£18– 20: 10 points
£20– 23: 15 points
£23– 26: 20 points
£26– 29: 25 points
£29– 32: 30 points
£32– 35: 35 points
£35– 40: 40 points
£40+ : 45 points

Age:
27 or under: 20 points
28 or 29: 10 points
30 or 31: 5 points

Others:
Where Previous
Earnings or
Qualifications
have been gained
in the UK: 5 bonus
points (max 5 in
this category)

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Post by madmax » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:08 pm

FYI
Last edited by madmax on Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Wages per Hour??

Post by ashishashah » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:22 pm

HI,

Under wages section , are the Wages per hour??Or per month??

Under HSMP they were IN thousans per annum

Ashish

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Re: Wages per Hour??

Post by madmax » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:34 pm

ashishashah wrote:HI,

Under wages section , are the Wages per hour??Or per month??

Under HSMP they were IN thousans per annum

Ashish
It says it's GBP in 000s per annum

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Post by ashishashah » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:39 pm

But in that case the lowest Range (16000 Pounds per annum) is very high for Asian countries...In India only Very senior ppl can get salary of 13,000,00 Rs Per Annum

So basically You cannot score in Wages section if you are from India

Ashish

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Post by rg1 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:41 pm

On digging deeper, it could deal a big blow to applicants from developing countries.
That's what they exactly want! You'd probably qualify only if you earn in Europe/USA.

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Post by madmax » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:50 pm

ashishashah wrote:But in that case the lowest Range (16000 Pounds per annum) is very high for Asian countries...In India only Very senior ppl can get salary of 13,000,00 Rs Per Annum

So basically You cannot score in Wages section if you are from India

Ashish
Yup you are right. Please see my earlier post on this - which includes an example. The way I see it is this - if this system comes into effect, it will primarily accomodate overflow from countries like the US where the salaries are high, but the immigration process is all screwed up. Applicants from low income countries will pay the penalty for now.

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Post by kurtis » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:56 pm

I believe there is a footnote in the command paper indicating that the earnings requirement will depend on where it is earned in a similar way to the hsmp. The figures quoted above only apply to countries that would now fall into the same income band as the uk

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Post by ashishashah » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:01 pm

Yup, Got your point..

I hope that earning is based on Country like it happens HSMP..Else only Ultra Rich people can qualify under new scheme,in that case they can rename the scheme as HRMP (Highly RICH migrant programme)
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Post by rg1 » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:10 pm

There has been several instances when HSMP qualified people left UK after exhausted all their savings yet not having a good job!

HSMP does not gurantee job! It's UK govt's ploy to attract flow of money to their economy.

So, they target only those who can bring money to UK.

It was never developed as "charity scheme" - ie. to help people from developing world to migrate to UK.

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Post by madmax » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:28 pm

kurtis wrote:I believe there is a footnote in the command paper indicating that the earnings requirement will depend on where it is earned in a similar way to the hsmp. The figures quoted above only apply to countries that would now fall into the same income band as the uk
I missed the fine print while reading it in a hurry this morning. Yeah u r right - the country weighting remains. So it doesn't seem like a wicked ploy afterall. Did anyone find income tables for the various regions ?

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Post by geriatrix » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:07 pm

Here's what the footnote in the command paper says about previous earnings (ranging from GBP 16K to 40K):-

Figures here are UK equivalent: the actual earnings will be weighted to take account of the country in which they were earned as they are at the moment for the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme.

Also, under the paragraph 81 "Current points model for Tier 1", it explains that "The next table shows the latest version of the points model for Tier 1.This is subject to testing and revision and is not necessarily the final version that will be used, but is published here in response to requests from consultation respondents for more detail on how the new system might work in practice".

Hope this clarifies some doubts.

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Post by simar » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:21 pm

rg1 wrote:There has been several instances when HSMP qualified people left UK after exhausted all their savings yet not having a good job!

HSMP does not gurantee job! It's UK govt's ploy to attract flow of money to their economy.

So, they target only those who can bring money to UK.

It was never developed as "charity scheme" - ie. to help people from developing world to migrate to UK.

They only target those who can bring SKILL. Money is not real motive.
If UK companies got good skills, they will make millions or billions in competitive world.
In the qualification marks, the earning power is their because it did enable easily for the HO to determine your skills .

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Post by mayitbe » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:46 pm

Hello, the wage you mentioned here, i think, is the annual salary before tax. Am I right?

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