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ph7klw wrote:It seems that it is difficult to claim points for significant achievement.
Does it make it through if I have
6 international publications?
ORS scholarship?
2 academic reference from 2 professors?
sdd7677 wrote:HEY BEWARE
the reference letter you get from your profeesor or someone who is working in your research field(industrialist/ researcher) should signify in reference letter that how important your work is towards research/development/towards humanities/major contribution in your area of research. it should reflect in the reference ltter otherwise it will be pointless as i had same problem with my first application though had 10 international publication. but while applied second time taken good care and now m in UK and thought to write you so somone get benifit from my first refusal !!
sdd7677 wrote:HEY BEWARE
the reference letter you get from your profeesor or someone who is working in your research field(industrialist/ researcher) should signify in reference letter that how important your work is towards research/development/towards humanities/major contribution in your area of research. it should reflect in the reference ltter otherwise it will be pointless as i had same problem with my first application though had 10 international publication. but while applied second time taken good care and now m in UK and thought to write you so somone get benifit from my first refusal !!
acothread wrote:Speaking from my experience, I would say that the number of publications alone does not count. Read the caseworkers manual for significant achievement and it details the evidence you need to submit. Peer references are a must but it should detail how significant the achievement is in your chosen field.
Acothread
So it is clear that they do not normally accept Publications in Int conference proceedings. I think many people especially who did PhD degree understand why Publications in Int conference proceedings is not normally acceptable.sdd7677 wrote:Yes the above post is right,
I had seven international publications(most of them were in reputed journals),
I agree with that. Also because it is difficult to know if you are not in that fileds. But I believe they have the list of Journals they get from their adviser which journal is normally acceptable.sdd7677 wrote:Yes the above post is right,
though I dont think caseworker check journal impact factor coz its still difficult to understand for scientist like us as well and it keep on changing every year.
I think this is what they call reference from industry.sdd7677 wrote:Yes the above post is right,
Letter from your professor of other researcher who have been active in same research since few years will be benificial and letter from industry(any industrail research...if he/she state that how importatant your work in development of the field will suffice the need)
You did not seem to even acknowledge the post before sdd7677...pantaiema wrote:
So it is clear that they do not normally accept Publications in Int conference proceedings. I think many people especially who did PhD degree understand why Publications in Int conference proceedings is not normally acceptable.
Jeff Albright wrote:pantaiema wrote:
You did not seem to even acknowledge the post before sdd7677...
It is not clear if that is the case. Being an ex-PhD student I perfectly understand why such publications are acceptable. The summary of one type of research during my PhD was presented at NACE 2005 in Houston and I simply forwarded the printed by NACE conference paper to HSMP Team and they accepted it.
Apologies for confusion. I have checked my HSMP package I sent in December last year and found that I sent 3 publications in the international journals and one 2005 conference paper.pantaiema wrote:Dear Jeff
Thank you for your comments. My understanding is that you publsihed your work in the international journal and not in the int conference proceedings because from your previuos post you wrote:
"I have submitted 3 publications in international journals on my Ph.D. research work"
OF COURSE completing your Ph.D. is already a significant achievement in your life! Goes without saying. This is why the scientists will be in the Tier 1 under the new Points Based Scheme.In my opinion, if someone is doing PhD degree and publishing their work in 3 international conference his acheivement does not seem to qualify as significant achievement. Why ?
Excuse me, are you nuts?! Have you ever done a Ph.D. in your life?? Do you ever begin to imagine how much work and effort has to put into it in order to reach the level of a Doctorate???? Do you know what you have to do in order to write a good scientific paper, submit it, get it approved by 3 referees?!?! You cannot just simply begin to judge on something if you have not done it yourself.- Publishing PhD work is a necessity as part of the study and not special.
- Appilicant have got more point compared to other degrees on the PHD degree.
- Most of PhD students know that publishing work in int conference proceedings is dead easy.
OF COURSE THEY WILL! You just seem like living in another world. It is not only the UK but also other countries readily recognise these achievements (in my case, Australia has done that instantly).-Anyone did PhD degree will defenitely have at least 3 publications in int conference proceedings. So Any PhD graduate from all over the world with a little work experience will qualify for HSMP ???
This is evidence that publication in int journal is more valuable for achievement rather then int conference proceedings. Most of PhD graduate know that publishing yourwork in conference proceeding is easy. They need your money to fund their conference."I have submitted 3 publications in international journals on my Ph.D. research work"
PhD degree has aready been considered in the qualification.OF COURSE completing your Ph.D. is already a significant achievement in your life! Goes without saying. This is why the scientists will be in the Tier 1 under the new Points Based Scheme.
Jeff, I did not say that PhD study is easy, indeed it is very hard, I know that. I am also against the opinion which provocate that PhD study is easy.Excuse me, are you nuts?! Have you ever done a Ph.D. in your life?? Do you ever begin to imagine how much work and effort has to put into it in order to reach the level of a Doctorate???? Do you know what you have to do in order to write a good scientific paper, submit it, get it approved by 3 referees?!?! You cannot just simply begin to judge on something if you have not done it yourself.
Any PhD graduate from all over the world with a little work experience will qualify for HSMP ?? I believe, the people who design HSMP program will not make this kind of blunder !!!OF COURSE THEY WILL! You just seem like living in another world. It is not only the UK but also other countries readily recognise these achievements (in my case, Australia has done that instantly).