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You can start apologising for being proven wrong on the law & your groundless accusations from earlier. I know that the latter would be tough for you, so refrain from uttering my name or even discuss on this thread. Idiots are not wantedMorrisj wrote:I saw the judgment this afternoon and just as i thought,Mr wals would be the 1st person to post it on the board... no cause for alarm,what a smart comment..
Denial of genuine enjoyment and respect for family life was the key point from the Judgment,read properly again!domestic courts will have to make their own interpretation regarding the key points note where it stated not to be assimilated purely on internal situations,eachmember state can now make their own discretional application,so simple as ABC
i am not irishtom, you were given more than 5 days to prove it and have failed, no body agrees with you. as for interpretation of the law,again i have been justified,again everyone goes quite. a lawyer is someone who studied law n have a law degree,not just solicitor n barrister,hence why the latter terms are distinguished in ireland.so wannabe? no, technically, but I never claimed that I was a lawyer, anyway. Either way, I was correct in anything that I responded to you about. as for competing, spouting "haha" is not even debating, you loose every time you utter a word.no go away and stop making a fool of yourselfMorrisj wrote:you must think am competiting with u regarding whatever law you are talking about mr wanna be lawyer...later would be tough for me,ok am saying in french for u to understand,Tu es Irishtom,just as u said its a general board so u cant stop me from commenting but as it is,you are their tiny god here cos the admin keep getting me banned but i keep getting thru which i really dnt how i did it myself and thanks for calling me an idiot,the admin and co cant see that,dnt know if they are blind.Peace
Before discussing the case and clarify what I meant, let me address your last sentence, because that problem is , partly the moderators making, something that has being brought to your attention and you patently refuse to address it, making you unfit to moderate.Obie wrote:There is nothing in Dereci that states that children who are abroad do not benefit from Zambrano. Any suggestion that Dereci Judgement states that, is unfounded and potentially misleading.
The facts of the circumstances in Dereci are different entirely in material scope to that of the Zambrano.
In Dereci the children are adult, dependent on the Union Citizen, the other children from the other cases were not the biological children of the non-EU spouse, neither was he playing and substantive role in their lives.
If anything Dereci enforces the view that Zambrano was aimed at preventing a Union Citizen from being kicked out of the whole of the Union.
Debarring the parents of a minor Union Citizens from returning to the Union, will have the same effect as removing them out of the Union.
MorrisJ and Walrusgrumble, i implore you too to engage in civilise debate, i dread the possibility of having to ban the pair of you.
This constant animosity towards each other is bring the forum into a state of disrepute.
What part of no body is disputing that (ie your earlier comment which you have now repeated). Even I have previously made the comment that such an interpretation on Zambrano would be a bridge too far. Dereci has no relevancy on people still relying on Zambrano, if, both parents are non eu's or at least where none of the parents are citizens of the country of the child's birth. Where have you got the idea that somebody disagrees with you on this point? My last post even noted that I agree with you.Obie wrote: There is nothing in Dereci that states that children who are abroad do not benefit from Zambrano. Any suggestion that Dereci Judgement states that, is unfounded and potentially misleading.
In reality, the only, but crucial difference in the facts between Zambrano and Dereci is that one of the parents is an EU citizen, a citizen of the country of the child's birth, thus making any potential requirement to leave that country avoidable. The second potential, as I don't want to generalize here, though would be confident that its a majority case, is that, very few parents relying on Zambrano can and will be able to support their child financially without the assistance of the state, thus making "dependence" laughable. But, Dereci said, that does not matter. Both cases share the common issue, providing rights of residence to the non eu parent because of the child's status.Obie wrote: The facts of the circumstances in Dereci are different entirely in material scope to that of the Zambrano.
Addressing every single comment made towards me, as oppose to the usual standard of ignoring the comments and isolating one sentence to suit one's argument, is now a tirade?acme4242 wrote:walrusgumble, have you stopped your medication again,
you cannot make demands from anyone.
As ever, its very difficult to read your tirade.
Is it possible for you to switch to become supportive and clam
instead of confrontational and angry towards posters.
The Child is not an Irish Citizen, Zambrano never ever intended to be applied in that way. Zambrano concerns people who are minor citizens of a country that they were born in. (so if a Child was French, and you lived with child in France, you could be ok) Even if Zambrano did apply to all EU citizens,I could not see how Dereci would not apply.(Dercei case involved Austrian children and parent in Austria - So here, Irish parent/'Child all resident in Ireland ) it would make absolutely no sense to allow Dercei apply against Irish Parents and not apply against other EU parents as it would utterly undermining this "reverse discrimination" theory, that has already being ripped apart by McCarthy and Dereci.IQU wrote:can you guys please clearify.i am non eu .my partner is eu .we have child.he have eu citizenship but not irish.so can i apply for residence based on my child .because my chid have eu citizens.can you please clarify ?????????????
return to the case reported in the irish times thread-2 weeks ago.there is no "if",the challenge to you n moderators was made.in civalised world morris, you can only make allegations when you have proof.you didn't.mods seem to think your talking nonsense.it was open to you to contact moderators to assist you.archives and all ip data can easily tracked down n a bit of work,locations.madness?read your own posts.withdraw the accusations.if you have nothing you say about this case go awayMorrisj wrote:This is strange,now i can access the site again @wals, who gave me 5 days to prove it?if at all thats true,cant you see the level of your madness?If the moderators that can check the ips didnt do that,how then do they want me to prove it if its really true i was given 5days.Between me and you,we both know you are Irishtom simple.The mistake u made regarding the 2 user-id,a year old baby wont make that mistake,if the mod were smart enough to check the ip used in Reg. both user-id,you would ve been exposed