Non EU parents joining irish

realhope · Post by **realhope** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:17 pm

hi guys
just a quick question. does any one know if non-eu parents are joining their Irish son in ireland, what are their options in terms of residency

thanks

agniukas · Post by **agniukas** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:43 pm

aswadref · Post by **aswadref** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:31 am

Can we get them as dependants Or only visit visa

agniukas · Post by **agniukas** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:03 pm

well, you asked about residency, so there is nothing.
but you can get them for a short visit on c visit visa for a max of 3 months.

aswadref · Post by **aswadref** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:22 pm

Thanks Agniukas

Do you know if someone has uk visit visa and they
Come to Ireland on the new visa rule where they don't need
A visa to come to Ireland how long can they stay
Can they live here for 90days or it's less

agniukas · Post by **agniukas** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:26 pm

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000005

all the info is here.
I forgot to ask, what's the nationality of the parents? As only certain nationalities are included in the visa waver scheme.

realhope · Post by **realhope** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:24 pm

agniukas wrote:none

thanks agniuks
can they not come to ireland on a visitor visa then apply for dependant stamp 3 based on their son? or are they only allowed to stay here for a visit?
how can they come and live in ireland?

agniukas · Post by **agniukas** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:43 pm

there is no law in relation to residency in ireland for the parents of irish nationals. if they come on c visit visa, they must go back after 90 days. c visit visa cannot be extended.

IQU · Post by **IQU** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:27 pm

you should apply for them visit visa ?

aswadref · Post by **aswadref** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:28 am

My parents are Indian national they are included
In the visa waiver scheme so wondering if the have uk
Visit visa how long can they stay in ireland.
Don't think they will be covered if they have uk dependent visa

aswadref · Post by **aswadref** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:38 am

Sorry just read the info leaflet it answered all my
Questions thanks everyone

realhope · Post by **realhope** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:40 pm

agniukas wrote:there is no law in relation to residency in ireland for the parents of irish nationals. if they come on c visit visa, they must go back after 90 days. c visit visa cannot be extended.

thanks agniuks
if thasts the case, what can the parents do to join their son in ireland?
also does the Zambrano case have any influence in this senario?
and finally in the new application for naturalization it asks about Irish association. what does the term Irish Association means?
i know i have asked you too many questions.... please help

xxxtieee · Post by **xxxtieee** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:10 pm

I thought I saw something about someone applying for a long term D visa for their parents. After multiple declines it was finally approved. This is just a fragment of my memory (but I am definitely not speculating) but its is worth searching this forum for some more info. I would have done some search, but I dont have the time now.

cheers

xxxtieee

Tandor · Post by **Tandor** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:51 pm

Does anyone know if this case has been heard yet / if there was an outcome? Seems directly related to the OP's query.

walrusgumble · Post by **walrusgumble** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:27 pm

agniukas wrote:there is no law in relation to residency in ireland for the parents of irish nationals. if they come on c visit visa, they must go back after 90 days. c visit visa cannot be extended.

On the Contrary

Lobe 2003 Supreme Court

Dimbo 2008 Supreme Court

And numerous High Court cases like Hassan 2010. There is also cases on grandmothers/sisters of Irish Citizen Children,

All can be found at courts.ie and bailli.org.

walrusgumble · Post by **walrusgumble** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:30 pm

Tandor wrote:Does anyone know if this case has been heard yet / if there was an outcome? Seems directly related to the OP's query.

Leave was granted, but its only leave

http://www.courts.ie/__80256F2B00356A6B ... anguage_en~

Still to be considered

riseen · Post by **riseen** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:26 am

Reply from Your Europe Advice service on Residency rights of Non EEA parents of Irish chil in Ireland based on Zambrano Judgement;

It is certainly arguable that you have a right to reside in Ireland with your Irish child based on the Zambrano case. However, the matter is not entirely clear. I am not surprised that you are receiving mixed messages from other States. The Zambrano case is relatively recent and the full implications of the case have yet to be drawn.

In your case, it appears that the entire family is residing outside Ireland. If this is the case, you could rely on the fact that the refusal by Ireland to allow your child to take up residence in Ireland deprives your child of his right as an EU citizen to reside in the EU. In Zambrano, the Court of Justice established that the EU citizen concerned must face a potential deprivation of the ‘genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights’ conferred by virtue of the status of Union citizenship. The applicant’s children in Zambrano faced the threat of the most far-reaching deprivation of their rights as Union citizens, running the risk of having to leave the territory of the Union. However, the difference between your case and that of Zambrano is that in Zambrano, the family continued to reside in the EU.

If it is the case that your child is residing in Ireland but you, as his parents, are being refused residence, you could again rely on both Zambrano and on the recent Dereci C-256/11 ruling of the Court of Justice which provides that if a refusal to allow a family member to reside in the EU with an EU minor would lead to a loss of enjoyment of his rights as an EU citizen and may force him to leave the EU, the refusal would be in breach of EU law.

You should appeal the decision of the Irish authorities to refuse to grant residence to you. If the appeal is unsuccessful, you may wish to consider referring the matter to the Irish Immigration Council at www.immigrantcouncil.ie which can both advise and assist citizens where alleged breaches of EU rights of free movement have occurred.

I trust that this information is of assistance to you.
Yours sincerely,
Your Europe Advice

To submit another enquiry, please visit Your Europe Advice, but do not reply to this e-mail.

Yours sincerely,

Your Europe Advice

riseen · Post by **riseen** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:29 am

Tomorrow the High Court will begin to hear the first of hundreds of cases where parents of children born here are seeking to be returned to Ireland with their children. The families of children born here are now legally entitled to return following a decision of the European Court of Justice in March which declared children born in the EU to foreign national parents are entitled to EU citizenship.

Under the European Court's 'Zambrano' judgement, it appears that the State will have to pay the costs of returning the families who were deported even when their children were born here.

Even though the Zambrano judgement was passed down in March the Department of Justice and Garda National Immigration Bureau continued deporting families of children born here.

One of the cases coming to the High Court involves a Mongolian woman and her two children who were born here. She was deported in August and is now seeking to be returned to Ireland.

walrusgumble · Post by **walrusgumble** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:12 pm

riseen wrote:Tomorrow the High Court will begin to hear the first of hundreds of cases where parents of children born here are seeking to be returned to Ireland with their children. The families of children born here are now legally entitled to return following a decision of the European Court of Justice in March which declared children born in the EU to foreign national parents are entitled to EU citizenship.

Under the European Court's 'Zambrano' judgement, it appears that the State will have to pay the costs of returning the families who were deported even when their children were born here.

Even though the Zambrano judgement was passed down in March the Department of Justice and Garda National Immigration Bureau continued deporting families of children born here.

One of the cases coming to the High Court involves a Mongolian woman and her two children who were born here. She was deported in August and is now seeking to be returned to Ireland.

That is the list for the week.
http://www.courts.ie/LegalDiary.NSF/PDA ... inish=8560

Tomorrow? FOr hearing? As in the 13th? Because if so, its not listed, the cases are against the RAT

An injunction Application by any chance?

Douglasken · Post by **Douglasken** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:53 pm

walrusgumble wrote:
riseen wrote:Tomorrow the High Court will begin to hear the first of hundreds of cases where parents of children born here are seeking to be returned to Ireland with their children. The families of children born here are now legally entitled to return following a decision of the European Court of Justice in March which declared children born in the EU to foreign national parents are entitled to EU citizenship.

Under the European Court's 'Zambrano' judgement, it appears that the State will have to pay the costs of returning the families who were deported even when their children were born here.

Even though the Zambrano judgement was passed down in March the Department of Justice and Garda National Immigration Bureau continued deporting families of children born here.

One of the cases coming to the High Court involves a Mongolian woman and her two children who were born here. She was deported in August and is now seeking to be returned to Ireland.
That is the list for the week.
http://www.courts.ie/LegalDiary.NSF/PDA ... inish=8560

Tomorrow? FOr hearing? As in the 13th? Because if so, its not listed, the cases are against the RAT

An injunction Application by any chance?

The Mongolian woman and the partner status in EU states?
A question to be asked here is that case come up in court was it for the irish born children or Irish citizen child with passport? or any child born in Ireland. What was the status of the Mongolian woman that was deported with the irish born children, is the partner of the woman an EU, EEC resident or undocumented. There are many people that fall on this category that is interested to know the outcome or the status of the father of the children.

realhope · Post by **realhope** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:11 pm

hi everyone
i have a question for you quys. does any one have the experience of applying for his parents to join him/her in Ireland after his/her naturalization? what did you apply for? is it c visit visa? or d visa? and were your parents able to get residency in ireland? what kind of residency did they get? stamp3 or stamp4?
please help and share your experience. your help will be very much appreciated in this.
many thanks

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